In my posts, I keep trying to show how much of the apostolic-prophetic movement is not based on the Bible. Instead, many of its teachings are based on prophecies that have no biblical basis and that even contradict the Bible.
Here’s another example of a current prophecy that is distracting Christians from the Bible.
“Apostle” Chuck Pierce (pictured here) has prophesied that, in 2001 — when the terrorists attacked America — the Church entered a “Seven-Year War Season.” Using a Hebraic calendar, Pierce believes we are now in the sixth year of this war season (Hebraic year 5767) — the “Year That Swords Will Clash.” This will be a year when the Church will engage in spiritual warfare and exercise its authority, according to Pierce. For more information, see his Oct. 25 prophecy sent out by the Elijah List.
Other ‘War’ Years
Here is what Pierce has prophesied about the other years of the “war season”:
• Year 1 (starting Sept. 2001) was the “The Beginning of War — 7 Years of Breaking Old Cycles”
• Year 2 (starting Sept. 2002) was a “Sabbath Day Rest Year” (a year for increasing our faith)
• Year 3 (starting Sept. 2003) was “A Year of Secrets, Mysteries and Surprises”
• Year 4 (starting Sept. 2004) was “A Year to Circle, Surround and Plunder the Enemies Camp”
• Year 5 (starting Sept. 2005) was a “Year of Staking Your Claim for the Future”
• Year 6 (starting Oct. 2006) is the “Year That Swords Will Clash”
• Year 7 (yet to be announced by Pierce)
Read his explanations of each year here.
Not Biblical
The whole concept of a “seven-year war season” will sound odd to many Christians. Nowhere do we see Jesus or the original apostles teaching people that that the Church will continually go through different cycles. Yet — according to the apostolic-prophetic movement — the Church needs new “apostles” and “prophets” like Pierce to give supernatural insight into these cycles. Why? If the church knows the current cycles, then it can use the necessary strategies to defeat demonic forces and establish God’s kingdom on earth.
Embraced by Prominent Leaders
Pierce’s prophecy has been embraced by leaders in the apostolic-prophetic movement, who consider Pierce to be a very accurate prophet when it comes to revealing the times and seasons the Church is in. In fact, many of the movement’s leaders are actually scheduling their ministries around Pierce’s timetable. The Elijah List, for example, regularly features updates on the “war season,” and entire conferences have been held to teach Christians how to live during each year of the war season. See this conference held to prepare Christians for the fourth year, which featured speakers Cindy Jacobs, Dutch Sheets, John Eckhardt and Peter Wagner.
‘War Season’ Products
Pierce has even sold products geared around the “war season,” including this $20-lapel pin, this $20-tent peg, and this $12 anointing oil, all designed to help Christians wage battle in the fifth year.
This $20-necklace pendant represents the current year of the sword.
He also has written a book about this war season titled The Future War of the Church (pictured here). In this book, he argues that it’s crucial for all Christians to submit themselves to modern apostles.
Pierce’s “war season” is another example of how he, and other leaders in this movement, are causing Christians to turn their eyes away from the sure teachings of Scripture and, instead, pay attention to their vague, unbiblical and speculative prophecies.
Spirit of Error 
I have been reading the book ” A Time of Departing” by Ray Yungen… its about the contemplative prayer movement that is taking over what most would consider…the mainstream evangelical church.
Before reading the book….I was only familiar with the mystical eastern practices from the churches perspective….
But I hadnt really studied its new age/eastern religious counterpart and/or…. how the experiences from employing this yogic/centering/meditative form of “praying”….manifested themselves.
Regardless of who is doing it…an unbeliever or those who profess….the outcome/experience is the same.
Ok…now to what this has to do with your articles about the apostles and prophets movement and their visions along with the signs and wonders they promote.
When I first came to Christ it was thru a church that was transitioning from a traditional bible based fellowship….to the apostles and prophets, third day movement.
At the time….I was very ignorant of the ways of doing church and of what the bible said. I was in for a crash course of what not to do…praise the Lord.
Anyway I was a bit confused as to what was happening at first but it didnt take me long before I new something was very wrong. So I began to watch and listen closely , read my bible and I prayed….and prayed and prayed some more.
People were having experiences and these experiences came about after singing things such as…”come holy spirit come”…for long periods of time during praise and worship. As if they could beckon the holy spirit at will?
What they were doing was in effect chanting it over and over and over…..
Something that I personally experienced during this time was a feeling of great peace while at church…so much so that I hated leaving.
And it was this experience that first got me to wondering about what was going on…. it occured to me one day that….this feeling of peace should go with me where ever I went if it was of the Lord. And not just be with me at church.
I shouldnt stop being at peace after having driven only a couple of blocks away from the church.
But I could literally time this feeling going away. The church was tucked away into a neighborhood and I had to drive 2 blocks before I turned off onto a main street. And by the time I got to that last stop sign before entering the main street….it was as if the world would come crashing back in on me?
When I finally realized this it scared me….I mentioned this to my husband and he said that it was the same way with him. It reminded me of being addicted…as if the act of going to the church was my fix?
I knew that was not of the Lord. My entering and leaving a building should have no effect on the peace from the Lord that surpasses all understanding.
Anyway…something else that had disturbed me during this time was that there was a great emphasis on the holy spirit and the “gifts” bestowed when “he ” was present…in these services.
So much so that this was what was preached on the most….it was taught above and beyond everything else… and that got me to wondering…..what spirit exactly…were they were calling on?
The descriptions of these experiences were of things such as people being “bathed in bright lights” and “feelings of energy passing thru peoples bodies”.
Again these manifestations came about only after long periods of chanting/singing to a repetitious musical beat.
Anyway….in the book “a time of departing” these exact same experiences are described by those who take part in contemplative prayer/ eastern meditative practices.
So the answer to my question of what spirit where they calling down to themselves has been answered.
It is not the Holy Spirit they are calling….but an imposter. Of course I had already known this….but I didnt realize what the apostles and prophets spirit…had in common with the contemplative/eastern religious spirit.
This “spirit” these 2 groups are being “indwelt” with is of the same sort and is demonic.
It is a perfect modern day example of satan disguising himself as an angel of light. And pretending to be as God.
Most people inside and outside the church have an image of satan….as a horrible monster or a guy in red long handle underwear with a pitchfork and horns.
But they never consider that he will manifest himself in whatever form it takes to imprison someone to do his bididng and in order that they worship him as god instead of our Creator.
And he uses men who outwardly appear as humble selfless and righteous….to reel the unsuspecting in.
And due to this impostering…..we are warned that….if it were possible…even the elect…would be deceived.
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2Co 11:13
For such men are false apostles…. deceitful workers….. fashioning themselves into apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14
And no marvel….. for even Satan fashioneth himself…. into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15
It is no great thing therefore….. if his ministers also fashion themselves…. as ministers of righteousness….whose end shall be according to their works.
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I had always wondered how satan was going to decieve the masses….not only the church but the whole world…..now I think I know.
The common denominator between christianity and the worlds other religions including islam…is mysticism.
Islam’s mystics are the Sufi’s….the whirling dervishes….christianity has the teachings of apostate men such as the desert fathers who experimented with the eastern religion in their desire to experience God. Thru faithlessness they got off the narrow path and went looking for God in all the wrong places.
Their teachings have been reintroduced to the protestant church and it is due to those teachings that many in the church today say we all worship the same God and that all religions have some form of the truth so because of this….it is ok to be united with each other.
But the word of God has much to say about being as one with unbelievers….all of it negative.
And it is exactly what this verse warns of……
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Isa 2:6
For thou hast forsaken thy people the house of Jacob….. because….. they are filled…. with customs from the east……. and are soothsayers…. like the Philistines……. and they strike hands…. with the children of foreigners.
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Faith in things unseen isnt enough for these people ( contemplatives and apostles and prophets) and they desire an experiance (physical or emotional)….so they turn to the customs of the east…which are doctrines of demons…and through this the church has become united….has struck hands with the children of foreigners.
But Jesus clearly rebukes this practice and says…..
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Joh 6:44
No man can come to me….except the Father which hath sent me…. draw him…… and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:45
It is written in the prophets…
And they shall be all taught of God.
Every man therefore…. that hath heard…. and hath learned of the Father…. cometh unto me.
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Those who practice the mystical aspects of the eastern religions in order to draw closer to God…..whether the teachings take the form promoted by the apostles and prophets movement or the more “acceptable and mainstream” contemplative prayer methods…the outcome is the same.
They are both calling on a spirit that is not of God.
Lev 19:31
Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.
Lev 20:6
And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards….. to go a whoring after them…..I will even set my face against that soul…… and will cut him off….. from among his people.
Wizard….
H3049
ידּעני
yidde‛ônîy
yid-deh-o-nee’
From H3045; properly a knowing one; specifically a conjurer; (by implication) a ghost: – wizard.
The spirit being conjured up in the church today is a demonic spirit that decieves people into thinking it is God Himself or the Holy Spirit speaking to them and working the “miraculous” for and through them…is of satan.
We are told…..its an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign.
Which is exactly what is going on today…people are actively seeking a sign.
Yet we are told that our faith is not to be in signs and wonders which can be mimiced.
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Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed.
~~~~Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.~~~~
Heb 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Heb 11:2
For by it the elders obtained a good report.
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We are to test the spirits in order to know if they are of God. We are told that true faith…..comes by hearing….and that hearing comes….by the word of God.
That is why the elect arent deceived….they keep the word of God and have the testimony and faith of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.
You remove the word of God from the process and you will get exactly what we have today…mass deception in the church.
I figured I better do some research to confirm the connection I made between the contemplative and the apostles and prophets groups.
Mike Bickle On Contemplative Prayer he is teaching from the Sacred Pathways.
Below are quotes from Mike Bickle on contemplative prayer:
· “Every one in the Body Of Christ is called to live lives of contemplative prayer…”
· “Everybody is called to live in the contemplative lifestyle. Everyone! Everyone! Everyone! That’s one of the great strongholds we have to overcome (resistance to contemplative prayer).
· “…contemplative prayer, you gotta get over that hurdle! Barnes & Noble is prophesying it! Hurtle one we gotta understand it’s for everybody! Everybody is called to the fullness (contemplative prayer). We’re all going to go into this thing!”audio message Comtempolative Prayer pt1 by Mike Bickle on the Mike Bickle Teachings blogspot
· “mystics is a legitimate term… I don’t want to fight the war…so I’m just saying contemplative prayer, but I mean the mystics—even here at IHOP I say, lets just stay with contemplatives …I don’t have time to argue… so I call them the contemplatives…. I don’t want to go into the semantics, the debates…so, I’m calling it the contemplatives… I don’t have time to argue… but I need the mystics.”
· “[They are] Some of the brightest lights in all of history… there has been the brightest lights in all history for men and women of abandonment in the dark ages… somewhere we have to say the dark ages were the luminaries in the grace of God…they were Catholic priests.”
· “…a study of the lives of the mystics, the contemplatives, through history, and clearly the most inspiring, compelling examples of history, in my world, have come out of the Catholic dark ages. I can’t find anything like it in modern times, in America, in the protestant world.”
· “…we need a little Holy Spirit catalytic jump start. We need to see where a few have gone before us, and say if they did we can, and we can go further… and if you’re going to go deep into that well, I’m sad to say, the vast majority of them are going to have Catholic roots in history.”
audio messages from the Comtempolative Prayer pt1 by Mike Bickle on the Mike Bickle Teachings blogspot
http://mikebickleteachings.blogspot.com/
I knew there was something I was forgetting to mention…and I was reminded of it this morning.
Something that often was preached at the church that I went to….
“Check your mind at the door”
As if it were a burdensome hat or coat to be gotten rid of before entering?
I was told….
“Empty your mind…..dont think…stop trying to analyze this move of God”
Which is the exact same thing that the more “acceptable” contemplative prayer method teaches !!!
As I was thinking about how these two teachings compare and that they in reality are the same teaching…it occured to me that the only real difference is in the way its packaged and sold to the different groups of people.
The common denominator…the pivotal teaching is….you are expected to empty your mind in order that you not hinder the “spirit”.
Both teach that thinking about what you are doing is a bad thing and even go so far as to say that if you think about it …you are forfeiting Gods will to work in and reveal Himself to you.
Again its just the packaging that is different….they package it for the different segments of society that they want it to appeal to.
The over all purpose of the teaching is to get people to empty their minds.
But it has to be presented differently depending on whom they are trying to deceive.
The word/faith which lead to the apostles and prophets movement…is packaged for people who tend to feel powerless in their society…victimized, held down by the world. They tend to be those who make up the blue collar… mid to lower rungs in an economy.
They work hard for a living and so the majority have little time or little money for recreational activities…. add to this….they tend to have less qualms about letting their hair down so to speak for a good time…due to the fact that often they have to make their own recreational activities.
And last… but by far not least…. they tend to be less educated. They tend to have bought into the idea that without the worlds definition of an education they are somehow less than ideal when up against those who have it……thus can be easily swayed but someone they consider to be “smarter” than themselves.
Now this is just a general observation but it comes from personal experiance since I come from this sector.
The teaching is packaged it in such a way as to give a sense of empowerment to those who feel they lack such in their life.
The contemplative prayer movement on the other hand….it is sold to the white collar upper middle to high income segment of society. These have a “higher” education…at least some college. Can afford to buy their entertainment in what ever form they choose. They are much less likely to “just let their hair down” and place much emphasis on what the world considers…. at least outwardly….appropriate behavior.
Thus like in the above blue collar example….those who market the teaching took these things into consideration and packaged it in such a way as to appeal to this particular segment of society.
The only difference is its more refined …dignified?
So that now…due to both forms this teaching takes…the “emptying of the minds”…..people are being “transformed” all over the world to begin accepting a one world religion made up of babylon and her harlot daughters.
1Jo 2:26
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
But the anointing which ye have received of Him abides in you….. and you need not that any man teach you.
But as the same anointing teaches you of all things…. and is truth…. and is no lie…..and even as it has taught you…..you shall abide in Him.
And now, little children, abide in Him…. so that, when He shall appear…. we may have confidence…. and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.
Jam 1:5
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all men liberally, and upbraides not; and it shall be given him.
But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering.
For he that wavers is like…. a wave of the sea…. driven with the wind and tossed.
For let not that man….. think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Thank you, Holly, for exposing these teachers and their prophetic absurdities.
I have a friend who constantly sends me the “new” prophecies of this group of the apostolic movement. I am a fairly articulate person of average intelligence, but the content of these prophecies is so vague that after reading thru it 2-3 times, I have yet to have anything concrete to hold onto. Because they are so vague, it’s impossible to watch for their fulfillment!
I appreciate these warnings!
Please, please, please weigh in on “Prophet Glenn Miller”. His website is at http://www.lionsshareministries.com/history.htm . He is good friends with Kim Clement, which unfortunately seems to indicate he may be a false prophet as well. His book is also detailed on his site. Thank you.
It never ceases to surprise me how many interpretations can be cranked out of any verse in the bible to support a personal view of the world. If somones interpretation contradicts what was once a majority in the traditional christian dogma it comes from a “demonic spirit”. Funny how the holy spirit always seems to support bigots and their narrow views. Evangelicals are no different from any other christian denomination, I would think the recent scandal involving Ted Haggard would open the eyes of christians everywhere. The fact is christianity does not have a claim to the absolute truth no more than any other religion because even Christianity is divided into many truths from many denominations. Just because other groups dont agree with your world view doesnt make them wrong, every one is right, all paths lead to heaven.
~~~~It never ceases to surprise me how many interpretations can be cranked out of any verse in the bible to support a personal view of the world. If somones interpretation contradicts what was once a majority in the traditional christian dogma it comes from a “demonic spirit”. ~~~~
“In the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.”
1 Timothy 4:1
~~~~Just because other groups dont agree with your world view doesnt make them wrong, every one is right, all paths lead to heaven. ~~~~
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me.
~~~~It never ceases to surprise me how many interpretations can be cranked out of any verse in the bible to support a personal view of the world. If somones interpretation contradicts what was once a majority in the traditional christian dogma it comes from a “demonic spirit”. ~~~~
“In the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.”
1 Timothy 4:1
~~~~Just because other groups dont agree with your world view doesnt make them wrong, every one is right, all paths lead to heaven. ~~~~
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Either its the truth or it isnt….there is no middle ground. Choose this day whom you will serve.
Dear Frank: Please re-read Jody’s comments, for real Believers John 14:6 there is only one true way to heaven and that is through Jesus Christ. There are no other ways, paths, believes etc all other ways lead to hell not heaven.
The Holy Spirit does not support biggots or narrow ways, He supports the only way Jesus Christ and The Word of The Lord 2 Tim 3:16. I would be careful stating things untrue about The Holy Spirit He is The Spirit of The Lord. He is truth John 16:5-15 and is not to be mocked Matthew 12:31-32
Well done Jody.
In Christ
Dave
Romans 14
Hello,
I’m somewhat of a babe in Christ. I’m aware of C. Peter Wagner’s circle of followers and their teachings and how they differ to the truth. I (in my estimation) see ‘false signs and lieing wonders’ in the world carried out by many false teachers. I found not long ago that the assembly I have become a part of is of the Foursquare denomination and in fact my pastor was brought up under Jack Hayford, Foursquare president, and Senior Pastor at The Church on the Way / Van Nuys, CA where Benny Hinn and Paul and Jan Crouch attend. Kimble Knight is part of Wagner’s circle of initiates. He visited our assembly a couple of months ago. He came again today. His message seemed very uplifting and spirit filled. If it hadn’t been for God’s grace I probably would have fallen for his pack of lies and deceptions like most of the congrgation seemed to do. I started going there last summer sometime soon after I was saved. I went there with a friend from work. Unfortuneately he doesn’t agree with my views on this issue. Sadly, I’ve discovered he’s caught up in prayers to Mary, the Rosary and Mary apparitions even though I know he loves Jesus and follows his teachings. I still love him even though. It seems that since I’ve been attending the Sunday services things have been moving quickly towards charismania and the like. The congregation as a whole isn’t into it like a Rodney-Howard Browne service (which I have seen on his website), but recently a man and wife started attending 3 months ago or so. He seems to be genuine, yet I suspect his wife is not. I would never shun her or neglect to show her love, but I suspect she’s faking the tongues that she speaks. Also, another man started coming recently who spaeks in tongues. I don’t believe in tongues as still for today, but I would never say that people who speak them are unsaved or anything like that. Sometimes, in my paranoid conspiracies everywhere state of mind, I wonder if the devil is sowing tares. Today, the congregation recieved his message, but I sensed something among the congregation that I have felt growing lately. It’s like a cold dissatisfaction. It could be my imagination. I thanked God today for revealing to me that I was not alone in my feelings. I had lunch with two brothers and one asked me what I thought on the subject of Mr. Knight’s message. The message was on ‘stepping into the Kingdom’ or something like that. He went on and on like most of these guys do when they want to turn a real church into a madhouse of emotionalism and deceptions, with his the popular buzzwords and catchphrases such as: ‘anointing’, ‘paradigm shift’, and all the like. The implication was the same as the last time and waht all these other guys like Steve Hill and others try to say: “If your church ain’t exhibiting the signs and wonders, you are spiritually dead!” Kimble Knight told us in a roundabout way that walking in the Kindom isn’t really about following the King, It’s about signs and wonders. I almost walked out during the service and gave up on this assembly: but where would I go? I believe with all my heart that the pastor is genuinely saved and loves Jesus Christ. I confronted my pastor about this subject last Thursday (not knowing that Knight would speak again on Sunday) and what I saw as a threat to the Church. He assured me that all these men were God-ly men. I told him George Bush was (at least by public admission) a universalist in his belief at best (with the video in my bag to prove it, which he didn’t want see)and at worst a liar and not at all Christian. I didn’t tell him Bush was a Skull and Bones man (by public admission) and possibly involved in Satan worship. I figured already before the talk that he believed in these guys for I had heard him speak favorably of Benny Hinn in the past, shortly after I started going there. From my studies in conspracy theories and what not I had already made up my mind about Hinn and that circle.
My question to you is “What do I do?”
I thank you for your blog and the work you do exposing the truth and I ask that you pray for my situation. Thank you, and may the good Lord bless you in all things.
bereanjames@yahoo.com
“If it hadn’t been for God’s grace I probably would have fallen for his pack of lies and deceptions like most of the congrgation seemed to do.”
Hello again,
Please forgive the above statement I made in the previous post. I spoke harshly out of anger. Please forgive me.
-Jimmy
You state the following: “the Church needs new “apostles” and “prophets” like Pierce to give supernatural insight into these cycles. Why? If the church knows the current cycles, then it can use the necessary strategies to defeat demonic forces and establish God’s kingdom on earth.”
Not one bit of this is Biblical Chuck. This is not what the Bible says that apostles are for and you know that. I am a pentecostal charasmatic and a huge IHOP fan with Mike Bickle. I am not a part of the heretic crowd but I know that apostles do the work of Paul. Paul had revelation I grant you that. However, apostles establish churches by planting and raising up pastors and then moving on.
Also, 2 Corinthians 12:12 states that the mark of an apostle is that sign, miracles and wonders follow them. If you can provide proof that these 3 marks are in your ministry then I will believe. Do not tell me you are an apostle because you got some revelation. Where are the miracles? Wonders? Signs? I wanna see proof that you have an apostolic calling like the apostle Paul.
What necessary strategies are you guys pushin now? The Bible says put on the full armour and stand. Pray and stand. All this superduper warfare stuff. Come on! I got my prayer language Chuck. The HS will pray a perfect prayer thru me. I don’t need any outside Bible scoop from some big time revelation guy. Stick with the word!
When you get outside the Bible Chuck you are too far out for me. Be careful. Even the elect will be deceived. The WOF teachers today are among the worst teachers of all time. Naming their seed, teaching 100X fold, ordering around their angels, claiming Jesus went to hell and was born again. It’s really startin to stink! This stuff is comin from my favorites too.
It’s another gospel. The Lord rebuke.
David
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Hello, I found your articles interesting. I found them by googling “Chuck Pierce”. I wanted to know more about him than his web site tells. You can always find detractors by googling someone’s name, no matter who they are.
I always like to see what other people say about high profile Christians (and there are many now, thanks to the internet!)
I will be maybe only one who will disagree with your estimation of chuck Pierce as a leader who “turns” people and the church away from the true teachings of scripture. People like Chuck Pierce and other prophetic people have me RUNNING to the scripture to find out what is true and what is false.
Scripture tells us to do that.
As for all the different categories of mystics and comtemplatives, etc. etc., I can’t help but think that Ezekial, and Daniel and many other OT prophets fell into that category. Listen to some of the things that David said about his relationship to God. It wasn’t a simple a “dry excursion” into the Torah.
It was a passionate plea to God for a real relationship.
thanks for letting me comment.
B’ruch H’ba B’Shem.
In Christ, Ginny W.
At last, right at the end of this list, a voice of sober reason! Well said, Ginny. There seems to be such a dichotomy in the church today – or maybe it’s always been there – where half the believers are over on one fringe, and half on the other. Either they’re screaming warnings about false prophets and demons, or they’re gullibly swallowing every aberrant teaching out there.
Surely we have the sane solution in the Scripture itself: we are to search the Scriptures to see if these things are so. We are to spend LOTS of time in the presence of the LORD, digging into His Word; staying in a position of humility and compassion. This is the ONLY way to avoid being deceived.
May God grant us the wisdom we need. It’s crucial in these days.
The LORD bless you all.
It’s not about an agenda or a program it’s about a live and growing relationship with a true and living God who still speaks to His people today. By all accounts of dispensational prophetic words we are in the “last days”. Thus, we are seeing God pour out His Spirit upon all flesh. Both Joel and Peter spoke these words. Why can’t you and I say the same thing and be in agreement with the word of God? In all cases it is the “word of the Lord”.
It is either excepted or rejected today, just as it was when Jesus try to share the “word” of God with the relgious leaders of His day. Some received it and recognized who He was, however most were blinded by their own laws and religious/denominational traditions to recognize the “new move of God”.
Ginny W is right…..propheitc words and teaching draw us closer to God’s word…both written and spoken.
I’ve always been taught if personal prophetic words don’t agree with your spirit and what God has been revealing or confirming for you; then drop the word and wait upon God to show you more clearly what He wants to reveal.
Also remember, not everything happens over night. How many years did it take for the prophetic words of Jesus birth, death, and resurrection to be fulfilled? I wonder how many people thought these prophetic words may have been wrong. Even today many Christians like to debate over them and what they mean or when they are to be fulfilled. How many years has it been since Jesus said He was coming back and He would prepare a place for us? Seems like Jesus said I only share the words of my Father.
Does this mean all the people who have died prior to His second coming found the “prophetic” words of Jesus to be wrong? I encourage you to read 1 John 4.1-6 and let God reveal to your spirit how He wants you to “test the spirits”. As you read the verses John wrote; ask yourself where did he learn this from and who gave him instructions so he could say “By this we KNOW the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.”
God’s word is alive and sharper than a two edged sword; both on the pages of the Bible and in the ears of those who hear the word of God clearly revealed today; just as Peter, Paul, and John did. Remember….He’s the same then, now, and eternally; and His ways are not our ways, and His voice has not been reduced to only pieces of printed paper.
Let me encourage you to gain a full understanding and discern the foundations of the word of God so He will give you more revelation. From the foundation you will be able to build upon the truth(s) God has given you. Thus you will know Him and His word by experience instead of just your intellect. “for whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world__YOUR FAITH”. (1 John 5.4) Thank you Abba.
In His great and awesome love.
After reading all the comments above, I just need to add my two cents. I feel that I have a more informed firsthand opinion because I attend Chuck Pierce’s church. I have listened to him preach, I know his family, and I have seen the fruit of his ministry in my life and the lives of our congregation.
I have found that we are consistently encouraged by our leadership to test all prophetic words against scripture, like the Bereans in Acts 17:11:
11 Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
We, as the church body, are always encouraged to study and know scripture. Even today I started reading Romans 6-8 for 21 days in a row like Chuck encouraged us to do this Sunday. Just last night I finished up our 10 week Beth Moore bible study with the women’s ministry. I would imagine that many of you who have commented have participated in one of her studies, and know her theology to be completely biblical and orthodox. I know that Chuck is as orthodox as Beth is, and that if our leadership didn’t line up with the same biblical truths that she does, we wouldn’t be doing her study.
Chuck’s prophecies are primarily concerned with the times we are living in, and how that affects the earth realm, and Israel. The Biblical basis for the validity of knowing and understand the times come from the following passages:
In 1 Chron 12:32, David is collecting an army, which includes…men of Issachar, who understood the times and knew what Israel should do.
Here, Jesus is rebuking the Pharisees, who haven’t recognized him to be the Messiah, because they are unable to see the times for what they are, even with many prophecies regarding Jesus at their fingertips.
Matt 16:2-4
2 He replied, “When evening comes, you say, `It will be fair weather, for the sky is red,’ 3 and in the morning, `Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times. 4 A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.”
In these verses, Paul talks about the need to be sober, and know the times so that Jesus’ second coming doesn’t take us by surprise.
1 Thess 5:1-7
5:1 Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5 You are all sons of the light and sons of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6 So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be alert and self-controlled.
Just so you know, Chuck gets the meaning for each year from the Hebrew symbols that make up the current Jewish year. According to Robert Heidler, who is our teaching pastor, and also a Dallas Theological Seminary grad, the numbers in Hebrew are actually letters, and numbers have specific meanings. For example, we have just begun the Jewish year 5768. The 57 in Hebrew symbols pictures a closed cycle. The 68 is a picture of a doorway, or gate. So, one of the applications for the meaning of the year 5768 is that this is a year in which things come full circle, and God opens up new doorways for us.
In my experience, my circumstances have matched what each year is about surprisingly closely. And, the point here is not that a select few get to experience this. The point is that God is doing things all across the body of Christ, with Israel, and in the world in general that match His calendar. If you want to learn more about the connection between the Jews and the Church, I recommend Robert Heidler’s book “The Messianic Church Arising.” In it, he looks at how the Lord is grafting together the Jews and the Gentile church like Paul talks about in Romans 11. You can get it at http://www.gloryofzion.org.
Chuck’s prophecies have to do with the way the meaning of the Jewish year will manifest in the Earth realm. His accuracy is what is so amazing. At risk of adding fuel to the “anti-Chuck Pierce” fire, I found another website in which a woman who is completely skeptical of prophecy and God-given revelation comes to the conclusion that because Chuck is so accurate in his prophecies regarding world events, he must be part of a huge government conspiracy to control the weather. I smile, but I also see that even those who don’t believe that God speaks today can’t get around the accuracy of his prophetic words.
I know from my own experience how scary it is to move from a place where I need to understand with my mind before I can trust the Lord, to a place where I trust Him and obey, and know that my mind will get there second, as He reveals the revelation to me. It is scary, because I am not under my own control. I’m under the Holy Spirit’s control. But you know what I’ve learned about the Holy Spirit? He is Holy. He is God manifested here in the life of believers, and He can be trusted. God will never violate Himself, and He will never violate scripture. But that doesn’t mean he won’t do new things. Remember, Jesus was a new thing. That is why the Pharisees couldn’t receive Him. He wasn’t following the old guidelines for fasting, or observing the Sabbath. He didn’t match what they thought he’d look like. And when he cast out demons, they accused him of being an instrument of Satan, to which he responded, “A house divided against itself cannot stand.”
I encourage you, as you evaluate the ministries of Christians who look different than you expect to ask the Lord to show you the fruit. In my life, Chuck’s church, and the leadership there, have lead me to a place of freedom from condemnation and shame. I am seeing and feeling the Lord’s deep love for me, and His unstinting commitment to me as I grow in Him. I pray that each of you would experience the same thing in your walks with the Lord. Blessings on you in Jesus’ name.
but why does he sell lapel pins, holy oil, and trinkets like that? that gives clue that he is not so i tune with God as people think. i’m all for the prophetic but i smell profiteering here. why the lapel pin?
@ Heidi You say “His accuracy is what is so amazing.” How accurate is he? Does anyone know how accurate Chuck Pierce is?
I have just attended a Chuck Pierce meeting in Belfast.I have a prophetic gifting myself and have been involved in Charismatic style Christianity for over 35 years.The first part of the service was good with a genuine sense of praise and worship but for me things went downhill when ‘the prophets’
Sharon Sone and Chuck Pierce took over control of the meeting.I had brought my Greek New Testament with me in case I needed it but I needn’t have bothered.Scriptural references were chucked ( no pun intended) in occasionally and most of the prophecies for Belfast and Ireland were very vague or common sense.The whole Hebrew numerology thing seems very strange to me as I believe it has more to do with the esoteric mysticism of Jewish sects than New Testament revelation.Everyone seemed to have a ‘good time’ receiving prayer etc but this style of religious experience does concern me as it appears to be quickly getting away from mainstream experience and belief.I hate dead religion myself but are not the people who are into this style of faith not just creating another more deceptive form of experience seeking rollercoaster Christianity.I believe there is a prophetic ministry for today but I don’t see it as what is represented by some of these travelling international’prophets’.Intimacy with God is not just the same as loosing one’s mind in ecstatic crowd manipulation event.
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Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
2Cr 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness
I received an email from Elijah List with a Chuck Pierce prophecy regarding earthquakes and strong winds attacking Asia. A few days later they all have come true . What is your attitude regarding this?
WOW. Just a question, so does that mean that I’m going in the wrong direction if God showed me some signs of heaven and parts of it in the supernatural? So you are saying that what God has shown me through the past years is all false and that I MAY NOT be able to see heavenly realms becuase it does not say that I may in the Bible?