Psychics, Prophets and Scripture Twisting

Voice of the Prophetic Magazine

I am continually distressed by “prophets” in the apostolic-prophetic movement who twist Scripture to support their teachings. Well, I thought I’d seen it all when it comes to Scripture twisting — until last Saturday, Nov. 18.

Voice of the Prophetic Magazine On this day, “Prophet” Steve Shultz — the publisher of the Elijah List (an e-mail newsletter) — sent out an advertisement for his new Voice of the Prophetic magazine (pictured above). Read the ad here. This ad contained a sample of the teachings you’ll receive if you subscribe to the magazine. The sample teaching, written by Shultz, is titled, “What’s the Difference Between a Prophet and a Psychic?”

Shultz’ 3 Tests for Prophets
Shultz’ answer is that there are three criteria for distinguishing a psychic from a true prophet of God.

1. A prophet claims the source for his or her prophecies is God, not some other power.
2. A prophet’s prophecies are “correct more times than they are incorrect.”
3. A prophet will seek to obey the Word of God at all times, while a psychic will not.

Criterion No. 1 is hardly helpful since many people — even non-Christians — claim the source of their prophecies is God. That doesn’t mean their prophecies really are from God. That’s why the Bible commands us to “test the spirits” to see whether a prophet is really speaking for God. 1 John 4:1

Criterion No. 3 also isn’t too helpful. What does it mean that a prophet seeks to obey the Word of God at all times? This seems rather vague and subjective. Certainly, this criterion should include the expectation that his or her teachings are faithful to the Word of God. Yet, Shultz never mentions the importance of comparing a “prophet’s” doctrines to the Bible — the most important test to apply to anyone who claims to represent God. In fact, 1 John 4:1, cited above, shows that the way we “test the spirits” that are speaking through a prophet is by evaluating the prophet’s teachings.

Blatant Scripture Twisting
Now, onto Criterion No. 2: The prophet’s prophecies are “most often accurate.” Amazingly, this criterion — which allows for failed prophecies — directly contradicts the Bible. The Bible tells us that if a prophet gives a false prophecy, then he or she is a false prophet. Yet, Shultz claims that a prophet will makes mistakes, but that doesn’t disqualify that person as a true prophet. To support this teaching, Shultz twists Scripture, quoting Deuteronomy 18:22:

“If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.”

The standard interpretation of this verse throughout church history is that someone who gives a false prophecy is a false prophet. So, there is no need to fear this person’s prophecies because God did not send him or her. But here is Shultz’ interpretation of this passage:

“However, even if a true prophet misses it once in awhile, the Bible tells you not to be afraid of that person. Just because a person makes a mistake doesn’t mean he or she is a false prophet or a psychic. It only means they are still learning to hear accurately.”

Do you see what Shultz has done? He’s made the verse say the exact opposite of what it really says. He says not to be afraid that someone is a false prophet if he or she gets some prophecies wrong. That prophet simply needs to develop his or her prophetic abilities, according to Shultz.

What a bizarre interpretation of this verse! Read it in its larger context: Deuteronomy 18:20-22. Notice that, just two verses above the verse Shultz quotes in the very same passage, the Bible says that a person who gets prophecies wrong should be put to death. Shultz conveniently leaves out that part of the passage.

Elijah List Conference Part of me thinks that such blatant twisting Scripture has to be intentional, but perhaps Shultz is actually that deceived. Either way, God’s people should not be looking to him for teachings on the prophetic. But, sadly, some Christians are. Shultz will be a featured “prophet” at an Elijah List conference in Albany, Ore., Nov. 30-Dec. 2, titled “What is God Saying for 2007?” (Ad shown here)

I know some of my readers will think I’m attacking Shultz, but that’s not true. Keep in mind that he has attacked the teachings of historic, orthodox Christianity. I am simply defending the faith from his attacks.

Crucial Distinction
There’s an important point I need to make. A lot of confusion arises when it comes to issues of prophets and prophecy because many people don’t make a distinction between the office of prophet and the New Testament gift of prophecy. Some people claim that the Bible makes no such distinction. Yet, when we examine Scripture, this distinction emerges.

Office of Prophet
When it comes to Old Testament prophets — like Isaiah, Jeremiah and Elijah — we see that they had great authority to speak God’s exact, infallible words. To disobey them was to disobey God. For example, Old Testament prophets gave new teachings and moral commands that were authoritatively binding on all God’s people. Many of their prophecies were recorded in Scripture and, as such, are still binding on Christians today. They also gave commands to kings that, if disobeyed, brought disastrous judgments on nations. They were sought for divine guidance.

New Testament Gift of Prophecy
In contrast, Christians with the New Testament gift of prophecy are never seen giving prophecies that are authoritatively binding on all Christians. They never give new commands or doctrines that become Scripture. Far from this, their prophecies must be tested by Scripture. They don’t have the absolute, divine authority we see attached to the office of prophet. In fact, their prophecies can be questioned, challenged and, when false, rejected by other believers.

Also, notably, nowhere in the New Testament do we see a prophet being sought out for guidance. That’s because, in the Old Testament, the Holy Spirit came upon only specially chosen people. But, after Christ’s resurrection, the Holy Spirit now dwells within every believer — making the mediation of a special prophet unnecessary. The New Testament gift of prophecy doesn’t function to mediate or legislate, but to strengthen, comfort and encourage believers and to expose the sinful hearts of unbelievers so they will be convicted and receive salvation. 1 Corinthians 14:3, 14:24-25

Testing New Testament Prophecy
The difference between the office of prophet and the gift of prophecy also becomes apparent when we look at the tests for each. Those with the office of prophet must never give a failed prophecy. If they do, they are false prophets.

Those with the New Testament gift of prophecy, however, may make mistakes. This seems evident from 1 Thessalonians 5:19-22, which teaches a church to test all prophetic words — holding onto the good ones and throwing out the bad ones. Note: This passage doesn’t say to throw out the Christian who gives a false prophecy (like the Old Testament says to kill a false prophet). It says to throw out the bad prophecy. The reason for this difference is simple: someone with the gift of prophecy doesn’t have great authority like someone who fills the office of prophet. This person isn’t claiming to be speaking God’s infallible words (or else his or her words would be equal to Scripture). Since the authority isn’t as great, the consequences of such mistakes aren’t as grave.

Theologian Wayne Grudem defines the gift of prophecy as: “speaking merely human words to report something God brings to mind.” Since these prophecies are filtered through human words and human interpretation, they are subject to error. This is a much-diminished role from those who fill the office of prophet and speak God’s very words. The gift of prophecy, however, is still a valuable gift that we should desire, according to Paul. 1 Corinthians 14:1

The Doublespeak of Shultz’ ‘Prophets’
Yet, Shultz (and many other leaders in the apostolic-prophetic movement) teach that the movement’s “prophets” have the office of prophet, the same as Elijah or Jeremiah. They claim that nations must obey their prophecies or face judgment. They claim they can give new doctrinal revelation and that all Christians must submit to them. These teachings can be found throughout their teachings and books. (See, for example, Bill Hamon’s book Apostles, Prophets and the Coming Moves of God.)

Even though they claim all this for themselves, ironically — when it comes to the guidelines for testing those who hold this office — they turn around and claim those tests don’t apply to them. For instance, they claim that it’s OK if they get prophecies wrong — even though Deuteronomy 18:20-22 says they are false prophets and should be put to death. This is inconsistent. Shultz and his “prophets” can’t have it both ways. They can’t have the authority of the office without accepting the responsibility of the office.

I can’t address all the issues in depth here, as I would like to. These are complex issues, and we Christians need to think carefully about them. The apostle Paul warns us not to be “unaware” when it comes to spiritual gifts like prophecy because, if we are, then we can be misled into idolatry. 1 Corinthians 12:1-2 He also tells us to have maturity when thinking about these issues. 1 Corinthians 14:20 The nature of these gifts is supernatural and, because of that, they need to be practiced with much wisdom and discernment.

Yet, unfortunately many Christians haven’t thought carefully about these issues. And some leaders in the apostolic-prophetic movement are taking advantage of their lack of knowledge. I am afraid the result is that many Christians are being led into unbiblical teachings that, at the least, will stunt their walks with the Lord. At the worst, they might even be opening themselves up to demonic teachings and oppression — something I plan to discuss in future posts.

The Gift of Prophecy by Grudem For more understanding about prophecy and the role of prophets, I recommend Wayne Grudem’s book The Gift of Prophecy in the New Testament and Today (pictured here).

48 Responses to Psychics, Prophets and Scripture Twisting

  1. Mica says:

    Thanks for writing this blog and this post…I grew up in this movement and my family is still in it. I am constantly forwarded the Elijah List emails and I was equally appalled at the misuse of the Deut. scripture.

    I especially appreciate the tone of your blog. You defend the truth in humility without making unneeded personal attacks. I look forward to reading more.

  2. Holly Pivec says:

    Thanks for your encouraging words, Mica!

  3. A.P. Fuchs says:

    Thank you for the eye-opener/clarifier in regards to this very special gift from God. God bless you, friend.

  4. flirtydancing says:

    I agree. To twist to fit one self is quite pathetic, and wrong.

  5. EscMatrix says:

    Please show us 1 or 2 scriptures that clearly backs your statement “The Bible tells us that if a prophet gives a false prophecy, then he or she is a false prophet.” As you know, Christ’s disciples FAILED to get a person delivered of a demon and yet Christ did NOT call them false disciples and threaten to never use them again. They were called and commissioned in flesh and blood to do the works of Jesus Christ and yet they failed to achieve perfection in their results.

    But you propose we are to demand a higher standard of perfection from modern day ministers than Jesus Christ demanded of His disciples? I know it all sounds good in theory, but I’m afraid this idea is taking us further from the Truth and further from the faith it takes to be able to impact the generation that stands before us.


  6. David says:

    Dear EscMatrix: Why oh why do you constanly defend heresy teachings. The prophetic movement is such. They are very harmful and base everything on what they see and do. They did not die on The Cross, they are not The Lord, they preach things as if The Lord speaks to them.

    The Lord speaks through His Word, empowered by The Holy Spirit. These so called prophets are just that so called prophets. They know only what their father the devil teaches them, please instead of defending these people go and witness for Our Lord, and tell the greatest story ever. Tell what The Lord did for you, follow the great commission Matthew 28:19-20.

    We are in the last days, and according to Ezek 3 and 33 we are watchman for our Lord, if the rapture happens today what would you tell the Lord, as to why you did not witness for Him but defended the devil’s works. many people daily die and go to hell, some of these people could have been saved if only you had spoke to them about the Lord and His finsihed work on The Cross.


  7. Sorry EscMatrix, but there is some difference between casting out a demon and delivering a word of prohecy. The modernday “Prophets” call themselves Prophets, whereas the disciples were Apostles. IF you are going to call yourself Prophet (= God’s mouthpiece) you better be blessedly sure that you are gettting it right.

    As for the blog author providing ‘1 or 2 scriptures’ to back up his claim that a wrong prophet is a false prophet … he did… Not angry at you, just hope you’ll get some clarity on this, Brohter or Sister

    Mr Blog Author, AWESOME POST, AWESOME BLOG. You aren’t attacking people only ideas, and I respect your opinions. Keep it up

  8. EscMatrix says:

    David, I am not defending a man… simply defending the Truth of the word of God, and showing the FULL Counsel of the scriptures regarding the subject which many people find great interest. Again, my confidence is in Christ and His finished work at the cross.

    Pete, the book of Acts calls Barnabas and Saul teachers and prophets along with a couple of others ( 1 Now in the church that was at Antioch there were certain prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon who was called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. 2 As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, “Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” )

    I am giving you example after example of my biblical position and your only defense is to tell me I am twisting the scriptures? You can not simply dismiss what you do not understand in the scriptures and seek to persuade people to rather follow your “interpretation” of the scriptures.

    Again, please humore us and show us 1 or 2 scriptures that clearly backs your statement “The Bible tells us that if a prophet gives a false prophecy, then he or she is a false prophet.”

    Brother EscMatrix

  9. EscMatrix says:

    David… sorry, I almost missed your post. Tell me, why is it when I quote the words of the Bible it is something I am rebuked for and told I need to go witness instead, but when you give your heated opinion it is considered defending Truth like the Bereans. Let’s put our wordy interpretations aside and examine the scriptures to see what is true.

    “Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.” Acts 17:11

    Freedom is not just a right, it is an idea. You may kill the man but you can never kill the idea.

  10. Holly Pivec says:

    Dear Readers,
    I deleted several of the recent comments because they contained unneeded personal attacks and judgments of the hearts of others. Please focus on debating the ideas and issues, not name calling. If we have all our doctrine right, but aren’t loving toward others, then we are just as guilty as the false prophets and false teachers. Remember the church of Ephesus in Revelation. Jesus praised this church for refuting false apostles, yet he rebuked them because they lacked love (Revelation 2). He said if they didn’t return to their first love then their lampstand would be removed. Also, remember 1 Corinthians 13: It doesn’t matter what we do for God, if we don’t have love then it’s all meaningless. And the apostle Paul tells us in Ephesians 4:15 to speak the truth in love.
    Thanks to all you posters for your encouragement (like Mica, A.P. Fuchs and Pete Son of Ted). I appreciate your words!

  11. EscMatrix says:

    Although you don’t agree with my views, I want to thank you for not only being fair, but for showing a true Christ like spirit. You made some very good points. I think its great when we can respect one another and debate fairly, whether we agree on every point or not.

    The 12 tribes of Israel of course were all God’s people, but were all very different. They did not all agree on every little thing… but when it came to worshipping God or going to war, they quickly united to become 1. I think when we can respect the various parts of the Body of Christ, whether we agree or not, and whether we want to actually be like them or not, we are walking in true maturity and are truly honoring Christ the Head. I also appreciate being able to connect here with other brothers and sisters here, not just to debate, but also to learn more about various perspectives people have of these subjects. I truly wish not to be deemed the enemy.

    Anyway, thanks to all for allowing me to participate in your discussions.


  12. David says:

    Dear Holly: I know you have taken out my information, as it is your judgement a personal attack towards EscMatrix.That is to bad, I can not understand why you would want his or anyones opinion that constantly gives credability against the Lord in their arguments. He, Escmatrix has many times attacked others in what he says. Everytime someone comes up with a point he does not care for you leave it there.

    Holly, you have discriminated against people like myself who defend the Word of The Lord and The Lord Himself., and at the same time allowed EscMatrix with his comments to continue. I should not expect anything different as we are in the last days and Apostosy teaching and the listening to them will abound, 2 Tim 4:1-5.

    Holly, please remember who you serve, Paul rebuked Peter, Gal 2:11-21, or when Jesus rebuked others in authority Matthew 23. There are many instances in Scripture where many people rebuked. Jesus tells the crowd in John 8:44 that they are of their father the devil John 8:44.

    In Christ


  13. Rick Phillips says:

    14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: “Love your neighbor as yourself .” 15 If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other. Gal. 5:14 NIV Holly mentioned 1Cor. 13. 1Cor. 13 is introduced by the verse, “And now I will show you the most excellent way”. More excellent than what? More excellent than all the gifts discussed in chapter 12. What if? Just what if, all of us who claim to be followers of Jesus would get up in the morning and think to ourselves, “Who can I serve today?” What if we would pray, “Lord, is there a widow or an orphan that I could help today? Is there someone that is down in their spirit that could use some encouragement? Is there a sinner out there that needs to have the love of God demonstrated? Lord, help me give of myself more today than I did yesterday.” Love is somthing that cannot be said with words but must be DEMONSTRATED.

    THE CORINTHIANS HAD ALL THE SPIRITUAL GIFTS BUT HAD NEGLECTED THE “MOST EXCELLENT WAY”. Let us be careful not to do the same. Greater is the EXERCISE of love than all other things combined. Love that is not EXERCISED is not really love at all.


  14. EscMatrix says:

    Wow, now that is what I call true Christianity. Well said.


  15. Pete Aldin says:

    Well said Rick. And EscMatrix I welcome your input and I’ll go think through some of what you said.

    I think it’s great to be able to have open discussion and dialogue includes hearing as well as speaking. It’s obvious this is a pretty emotive issue and I think a lot of us who’ve been “through” the “apostolic-prohetic” movment and moved away have suffered what felt like abuse and deception (though I’m not saying that’s what was intended).

    But thanks Rick for the reminder about the centrality of our faith-practise: to love. And I’m kinda glad the Kingdom’s big enough (and God’s big enough) for diversity.

    You’re hosting an interesting discussion here Holly!

  16. Jody says:

    ~And I’m kinda glad the Kingdom’s big enough (and God’s big enough) for diversity.~

    Diversity only in peoples nations and languages…not in teachings.

    Rev 14:6
    And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven,
    having the everlasting gospel to preach
    unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation,
    and kindred, and tongue, and people,
    Rev 14:7
    Saying with a loud voice,
    Fear God, and give glory to him;
    for the hour of his judgment is come:
    and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

    2Co 11:3
    But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
    2Co 11:4
    For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

    Gal 1:6
    I marvel that ye are so quickly removing from him that called you in the grace of Christ unto a different gospel;
    Gal 1:7
    which is not another gospel only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
    Gal 1:8
    But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema.
    Gal 1:9
    As we have said before, so say I now again, if any man preacheth unto you any gospel other than that which ye received, let him be anathema.

    Gal 1:10
    For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? or am I striving to please men? if I were still pleasing men, I should not be a servant of Christ.

    1Ti 6:3
    If any man teacheth a different doctrine, and consenteth not to sound words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
    1Ti 6:4
    he is puffed up, knowing nothing, but doting about questionings and disputes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
    1Ti 6:5
    wranglings of men corrupted in mind and bereft of the truth, supposing that godliness is a way of gain.

    2Jo 1:9
    Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.
    He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
    2Jo 1:10
    If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
    2Jo 1:11
    For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

  17. Dennis says:

    Dear Holly,
    Thank you for exposing the truth about these “so called” prophets. I have been uncomfortable reading prophecies from the ones who call themselves God’s prophets, but I didn’t know until I read your article. I totally agree to let the Bible speak of who is and who isn’t a prophet!!! These false prophets need to be exposed so that Christians won’t be mislead!

    I have a question about Marsha Burns. Are you familiar with her. Her website is Small Straws in a Soft Wind. Anyway, what she says applies to me every time I read her words she claims to get from God. Would you please tell me if you think she is a TRUE prophetess?

    Thank you kindly.

  18. David says:

    Dear Jody: Well done, in your comments. God is who we serve again well done. In fact it best stated in Joshua 1:8 and Joshua 24:15 and Nahum 1:7.

    Thnk you again Jodi for not bending on the truth and appeasing others, just to have others welcome and like you, as you see many here on this blog do.

    In Christ


  19. Rick Phillips says:

    Well, yesterday was Thanksgiving Day. But really, in the Lord, everyday is a day to give thanks. I am thankful for many things. One of those things is to be able to have deep discussions about the Word of God with people far and wide.

    In my earlier comment I put the emphasis on EXERCISING the love of Jesus that is in us by His Spirit. However, I do believe that it is important to “watch out that no one deceives you”. We do have an enemy that “prowls around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour”. One of the ways that “lion” can accomplish that is to get us to turn on each other. So I just want to be one to remind people (myself included) to “speak the truth in love”. We need to “guard our hearts and minds” so that we share with an attitude of discerning humility rather than of judgmental pride. If we do not “guard our hearts and minds” that ole haughty spirit can somehow just kind of slide in there and before we know it we can be doing the right things for the wrong reasons. Each of us needs to first examine ourselves. You know, the “log” in the eye thing.

    As we search out the doctrines of Christianity let us not neglect the EXERCISE of Christianity. Jesus said, “THIS is how you will know who are MY disciples, if you have LOVE one for another.” So, I suggest starting at home and go the extra mile a little more today. Make an unexpected phone call in the middle of the day to say that someone is special to you. Send and email just to say, “I love you”. Send a card to someone when it’s not a special occasion but just because the person is special.

    If we would spend as much time dreaming up ways to EXERCISE LOVE as we do seeking to know the Truth that would be a balance that would be hard to beat. After all, in spite of all our discussions about doctrine, “The ENTIRE law is summed up in a SINGLE command: ‘LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS…………..” Gal. 5:14 NIV So try loving a little more today than you did yesterday. But be warned, when you do, pride will raise his ugly head and not want you to. Do it anyway. Happy loving.


  20. EscMatrix says:

    Jody, I would like to respectfully address your statement “Diversity only in peoples nations and languages…not in teachings.”

    I think you need to see that being able to tolerate christians who may think a little different than you and appreciating diversity is NOT “compromise”. You should not be afraid to listen to other people, whether you agree with them or not. The Apostle Paul walked right into the midst of a city that worshipped many idols, and filled with occult practices and dared to bring alive the meaning of one which was inscribed as “the unknown god”. In doing so, Paul brought an awareness of the God that he serves to people that would have never listened and eternally impacted their city. No one is asking you to accept false brethren. I appreciate your strong stand for what you believe. However, for us to debate a point should not automatically label those you disagree with “the devil”.

    Now regarding your statement above, let me remind you even the Apostle Paul and the Apostle Peter separated because they did not agree on teachings.

    “11 When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong… 14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew…” Galatians 2:7

    Paul sternly confronted Peter for not acting in line with the truth of the gospel and confronted him to his face… but you do not find Paul making such loose statements as “Peter will burn in hell” for it. Both of these men gave their lives, not just for the word of Truth, but for the Truth Himself… Jesus Christ, and yet did not agree on everything. God gives us these examples so that we can learn, and not be so unrealistic in our expectations of human beings as we together carry on the work of the Gospel together.

    Rick, again, powerful statements. Thanks for helping to bring the focus back to a Christ like conversation.



  21. Jody says:

    Mat 22:37 And he said unto him,

    Thou shalt love the Lord thy God

    with all thy heart,
    and with all thy soul,
    and with all thy mind.

    ~~~~~~This is the great and first commandment~~~~~~~

    Mat 22:39
    And a second like unto it is this,

    Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

    Mat 22:40
    On these two commandments the whole law hangeth, and the prophets.

    Joh 8:31
    Jesus therefore said to those Jews that had believed him,

    ~~~~~~If ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples;
    and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. ~~~~~~

    Joh 14:15
    If ye love me,~~~~ye will keep my commandments.~~~~
    Joh 14:16
    And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may be with you for ever, ~~~~~even the Spirit of truth~~~~~~ whom the world cannot receive; for it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth him: ye know him; for he abideth with you, and shall be in you.

    Jesus was not teaching a new thing……

    1Co 10:1
    For I would not, brethren, have you ignorant, that our fathers were

    all under the cloud,
    and all passed through the sea;
    and were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
    and did all eat the same spiritual food;
    and did all drink the same spiritual drink:

    for they drank of a spiritual rock that followed them:
    ~~~~~~~~~and the rock was Christ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    1Co 10:5
    Howbeit with most of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

    Love without truth is empty and void….truth and love go hand in hand in equal measure. It is the truth…that gives us the ability to love.

    1Pe 1:22
    Seeing ye have purified your souls~~~~ in your obedience to the truth~~~~ unto unfeigned love of the brethren, love one another from the heart fervently: having been begotten again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible~~~~through the word of God~~~~ which liveth and abideth.

    1Jo 3:18 My Little children~~~~ let us not love in word, neither with the tongue~~~~~ but in *deed* and * truth*.

    2Jo 1:1
    The elder unto the elect lady and her children…. whom I love in *truth* and not I only…. but also ….all they that * know the truth*

    2Jo 1:3
    Grace, mercy, peace shall be with us, from God the Father, and from Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in * truth and love *.

    Eph 4:15
    But speaking the * truth in love *, may grow up into him in *all things*, which is the head, even Christ:

    Eph 4:16
    From whom the whole body fitly joined together
    and compacted by that which every joint supplieth,
    according to the effectual working in the measure of every part,
    maketh increase of the body *unto the edifying of itself in love. *

    See cant have one without the other….

    If I truly love my fellowman …believer and unbeliever alike….it will manifest itself when I warn them about false prophets and their teachings.

    More often than not Im accused by….. those who profess…..of being unloving….but truly….Im not speaking on my own behalf….Im only repeating what was written long ago.

    Zec 7:11
    But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.

    Zec 7:12
    Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the LORD of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the LORD of hosts.

    Zec 7:13
    Therefore it is come to pass, that as He cried, and they would not hear;
    so they cried, and I would not hear, saith the LORD of hosts.

    Love is very important…..but the truth is….if your loving your fellow man you are speaking the truth to them as you would want done unto yourself….and for this….we are promised that we will be hated.

  22. David says:

    dear Jody: I find it so irronic that you bring to the blog a definete truth and truths from scripture and EscMatrix argues with you. I really wish he would realize that Scripture not man is right and each and every time you have answered with Scripture, he has a point of argument hoping you will bend. He is either full of pride, unsaved or decieved by The enemy 2 Cor 11:14, just as Eve was Gen 3.

    This is why I stated before that we should not debate with him or others who defend themselves based on thier human efforts, Jude 9.

    Keep up the Godly work Jody.

    In Christ


  23. Jody says:

    Accepting diversity in doctrine where the word of Gods concerned….is compromise…..

    So much so that today we have mormons being called followers of Jesus Christ….they are freely accepted amongst the body of believers as fellow Christians in the faith delivered to us once…and for all.

    But…this is what the word of God says about compromising where the word of God is concerned….and from the apostle of love no less…

    2Jo 1:7
    For many deceivers are entered into the world,
    who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.
    This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

    2Jo 1:8
    Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

    2Jo 1:9
    Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

    2Jo 1:10
    If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
    2Jo 1:11
    For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

    See….I didnt say it… John did….and it wasnt Johns words…it was Gods warning delivered to John thru the Holy Spirit…who are we to take issue with that?

    The bible is full of these warnings…and we all do well to take heed…they werent written to the unbeliver who by his own choice is self condemened….they are written to those who profess faith in Christ.

  24. Jody says:

    ~~`This is why I stated before that we should not debate with him or others who defend themselves based on thier human efforts, Jude 9.~~`

    Hello David thank you for the encouragement ~HUGS~

    I do understand what you are saying….and yes we should refute thru human efforts thats why I rely on the scriptures to do most of the talking.
    As I mentioned above…Im not the one saying…Im just repeating…so they dont have an issue with me…they have an issue with what God has already said.

    I more often than not get bashed for it by those who profess but interestingly…when I present these things to unbelivers….they actually like me and appreciate the time I have spent with them expounding the scriptures. They see that my faith inst unreasonable and that I can back it up with the written word.

    You can actually see the lights go on in their minds…they realize that what they have heard and what God has said are 2 different things.
    They most often for the first time ever….realize that Gods word is consistant from the OT thru the NT and that it is man who has muddied the waters.

    Anyway….long story short….I take on these issues….not so much to correct those in error….I have learned the hard way that they tend to believe what they will believe regardless of the amount of scripture that rebukes them.

    Now I do this for those who like me in the beginning….desired a reason to believe….but were scared to put their faith in the Lord…for fear of being hurt and disappointed again.

    So its them that I give reason for the faith that I have….and since faith comes by hearing…and hearing comes by the word of God I have to use alot of it 😀

    And with it…those who have ears to hear and eyes to see….can judge between me and those who teach contrary to Gods word.

    So be encouraged….what is the chaff to the wheat

    Love and prayers 🙂

    Jer 23:26
    How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;
    Jer 23:27
    Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.

    Jer 23:28
    The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream;

    and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully.

    What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.

    Jer 23:29
    Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
    Jer 23:30
    Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.
    Jer 23:31
    Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.
    Jer 23:32
    Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them:

    therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.

  25. Jody says:

    Forgot to post this part….but its for the best I think 🙂

    Jer 23:20
    The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart:

    in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.

    Jer 23:21
    I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.

    Jer 23:22
    But if they had stood in my counsel,

    and had caused my people to hear my words,

    then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.

  26. EscMatrix says:


    Every single point I have made has been do so using the Word of God, The BIBLE. For which of these do you find me guilty? I have not accused you and called you a false brother or false teacher with words taken from the Scriptures as you have done. I have not made statements that were simply intended to to attack you or shut your mouth. I have not given you my words alone, but ALWAYS proved my points with clear scriptures. I am sorry that you have never been able to look outside of your own perspective.

    Dear brothers and sisters, please review all of my blogs and see that I have quoted the words of the Bible, for every point that I wanted to make because the point is not my own but found inside its pages. Show me which one of these I misquoted or used to hurt someone else, or to turn them from the faith which I have given my life for. I also did not copy and paste chapters of information to make a point. I do not claim to know everything, but I do know Christ, and have shared His words with you. I have treated you respectfully and as a brother in Christ, I just ask for the same courtesy.

    Jody, you have a good point. We can not allow diversity in doctirnes that are CLEARLY given in Scriptures. We can NOT compromise Truth. But let’s face it, not everything is crystal clear, like the subject we speak of, or the subject of how long a man or woman’s hair can be, or a woman can wear make-up? How many times do we pray for the sick? Should we lay hands on them or just anoint with oil? I could go on all day with these questions and I am sure others could add some as well. Let’s fight for Truth, and let’s not compromise the Word of God at all. But when it comes to these smaller matters, please let’s put them in their proper perspective and seek God and His Word to find wise counsel.


  27. David says:

    Jody: Thank you for not bieng diswayed if that is a proper word. Like Paul in Phil 1:12-18, the message of The Cross gets out their.

    God Bless


    If you would like to e-mail I would be happy to send you my e-mail address.

  28. David says:

    Dear EscMatrix: Any matter that is discussed small or big, if it goes against the Lord’s Word is poison, 1 Cor 5:6.

    The devil’s children always confuse things James 3:13-18, after all he is the author of confusion James 3:13-18. The Heavenly Father is the author of Love John 3:16 and 1 Cor 14:33.

    Please again choose who you will serve Joshua 24:15.

  29. EscMatrix says:


    Dear EscMatrix: Any matter that is discussed small or big, if it goes against the Lord’s Word is poison, 1 Cor 5:6.

    The devil’s children always confuse things James 3:13-18, after all he is the author of confusion James 3:13-18. The Heavenly Father is the author of Love John 3:16 and 1 Cor 14:33.


  30. David says:

    EscMatrix: I do not want people to agree with me but to agree with The Lord and His Word, and the finished work on the cross. That is all that is important, nothing else. I am only concerned about this and of course the eternal place of lost souls. They need Jesus, these are the final days then the Rapture then the tribulation period.

    In Christ


  31. EscMatrix says:

    David… it seems you are just not agreeable with me regardless of what I am actually saying. Whether it’s the Apostle Paul or Jesus Christ, my words or your’s, it doesn’t matter … you refuse to agree with any truth as long as I am the one sharing it. I don’t understand why you have deemed me your enemy. I really think you need to consider what kind of God you are portraying to people with your harsh, unbiblical slurs. The scripture says its God’s kindness that leads us to repentance (Romans 2:4). You say you care about nothing but the Lord and the eternal place of lost souls, while calling me a child of the devil? I would not dare make a judgment of your salvation. I can only speak of my own relationship with Him, and I have been a true believer for 34 years confessing the same Jesus you confess as Lord. I believe in salvation as the Word of God teaches us, and I believe the Bible is the Word of God and that all doctrine must line up with it. How is it that you can attack me with so much anger for my stand on Scripture and can not even meet the simple challenge I have given you regarding what you claim is God’s standard. You expect these viewers to simply follow your convictions regardless of whether or not you can make them clear in the Bible and regardless of what kind of spirit you present them in? We are supposed to be on the same team here. Do you believe in these words of John, or are they only to apply to people you consider good enough to be a brother?

    9 Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness.
    10 Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble.
    11 But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness; he does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded him.
    I John 2


  32. David says:

    Dear EscMatrix: I do not hate anyone, but the bible tells us to test everything. I am not angered at you or anyone, yet you defend so often heresy teachings as atested by all your comments in the blogs. I did nor did anyone else answer for you, only you.

    I simply pointed out things, heresies, yet again you attack. Every person who disagrees with your point of view using Scripture you attack, as if to say we know nothing, we do. Please read Matthew 23, this will give you the best answer. I believe from what I see here from you that even if The Lord where here and pointed out and rebuked you, you would be upset at Him as well.

    Please before you make another statement please pray, and ask The Lord for His direction with your comments, if you are saved then The Holy Spirit will help you.

    I will not be answering you anymore as I have found teachers of Heresies and thier opinions will continue to try and prove others always wrong, and this leaves them no room for them to be humble before Our Lord,
    1 Peter 5:5.

    I pray that you will ask for forgiveness and His guidance before the night passes. He is King of Kings and Lord of Lord’s Rev 19:15-16.

    In Christ


  33. Rob Willmann says:

    I have a simple question:
    IF (and this is a mighty big IF)….

    IF we allowed prophets to speak as the mouthpiece of God and they mis-spoke and fed us a lie, and we still allowed it, HOW MANY TIMES would that person have to mis-speak before we decided they were false?

    You see, Scripture backs up the 100% mark. Or another way of saying it is: 99% truth is still a lie. We cannot bend and say that Clement and others are the mouthpiece of God. They are wolves in sheeps’ clothing.

    EscMatrix, if you can prove to me via scripture where I am wrong, I will look up the verses. I will pray about it.

    But I see no scripture that supports your statement. Not one.

    IN LOVE,

    Rob, your brother in Christ.

  34. EscMatrix says:


    Let me first say, I enjoy this discussion and sharing what I have found in the Scriptures regarding the subject. I do not mean ANY word to be an attack on you or anyone else. Think about it, I am the underdog here on a site with just a few readers… why would I want to attack anyone? Its sort of like being a cow swimming in the ocean… its much easier to eat the cow, so I am not looking to start a fight. It would be much easier to share with my church or a circle that loves this kind of stuff. I did not get these teachings from any of the people you say that you do not like… I found them myself in the Bible. I used to agree with all that you are saying and was very judgmental, until I discovered many verses throughout the Bible that said differently and therefore reexamined all that I had been taught from well meaning people in light of the Scrptures. I love the Word of God; reading it and listening to it everyday for many years. Listening to it forces me to hear the parts I had found boring when reading, and while listening to it is when I found that there are many points that the Bible makes, but are overlooked or we simply had preconceived ideas that caused us to miss them. I found listening to it many times puts it all in its correct context and is very refreshing.

    Just so you know, I have questioned many Bible teachers and even theologians about these scriptures and so far NOT ONE has been able to refute the perspective that I have taken from the Scriptures except for a few who felt that the gifts and/or the five-fold ministry is not for today. People that know me, know my heart is not to damage or confuse anyone, but to show from the BIBLE that God does speak through people today who are not perfect, just as He always has. This is a partial source of inspiration… seeing people equipped and inspired to go and fulfill the Great Commission. Not just talking about the God who used to do great things, but believing Him to do His works in our midst in our generation as we declare His words. In the least, those I have questioned have found my findings intriguing. I’d say, If God can speak through an ass, he can speak through anyone He likes and other human beings can not be the judge of the Creator and His choices.

    Anyway, if you define heresy as “any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established customs”, then I’d have to agree what I have shared could be called that. But, if thats the case Martin Luther and Jesus Christ were also heretics. They challenged the beliefs of the religious peoples of their times and religion hated them so much it chose to kill. I think you’ll agree, heresy to the believer should be anything that is taught that does not line up with the Word of God- The Bible. Correct? David, your calling all of my statements “heresy” does not in itself make them heresy, so I hope readers will look a little closer at my replies for themselves which are deeply rooted in the Word of God. If they do not line up with the Word of God, then they are wrong, and if I teach them, then yes they are heresy. However, EVERY SINGLE point I have made was pulled from the BIBLE and for each point I quoted the source; book, chapter, and verse and will continue to do so. So if you call that heresy, you are calling the Words of the Bible heresy. I know you do not mean to do that and do not question you for that.

    Anyway, I will follow with a reply to Rob. Thanks for your post. I’ll get back to you after a night of rest.


  35. Jody says:

    However, EVERY SINGLE point I have made was pulled from the BIBLE and for each point I quoted the source; book, chapter, and verse and will continue to do so.

    Can you please list them all here in one place for everyone to consider?

    This subject is very important today and everyone following this blog needs all the facts in order that they have the full counsel of God thru His written word to us and thus can make up their own minds aside from everyones opinions.

  36. Laura says:

    Escmatrix…Jody and David are spot on.
    Yes you quote some scriptures but your use them show a limited understanding. In fact, it appears that you follow the popular view of ‘we can’t really know truth’ and ‘to show error is to show lack of love’.

    Look, even the demons know God and tremble. And satan is the father of lies and confusion. We are commanded to ‘know truth’ and live by it. God in his infinite wisdom and mercy gave us his written word. A free gift on top of our salvation! Why did he do that?
    Simply because he knew we would need it. Because of the rampant false teachers and prophets out there, God in his wisdom and mercy knew that this time would be so perilous that…’….if possible even the elect could be decieved’. That is not just a great trib warning. It is a warning for us even now.
    So how do we know if we are not decieved? By the written word and testimony of the Spirit and true saints. Scripture interprets scripture.

    See..if all we do is put up with error in the name of love, truth is forsaken at the cost of ‘getting along’. Paul and the others warned boldly to keep false teachers and teachings out of the body. Would you live with a tumor even if benign?
    And when this accomadation for the sake of ‘love’ takes place, those who hold to the truth boldly are immediately accused of being ‘unloving’ ‘intolerant’ or ‘ignorant’, or all three.
    One of the big playing cards for people who dispute those like Jody or David and experience. But those are not qualifiying factors even in God’s mind. He takes the foolish and simple to confound the wise.
    That is his way.
    And if he chooses to use the educated it is because they have the humble heart to be used. It is a holy thing to be so used by God. And we are not to despise small beginnings.
    Paul wrote quite bluntly to several congregations as did Peter about getting beyond the ‘milk of the Word’ and to the ‘meat’. They expected the disciples they watched over to grow up in the Lord and understand and to teach others! We are to do just that.
    Jesus in the garden prayed for us who would become disciples because of listening to the testimony of the first disciples. He prayed for us that we would know truth. And as the Son is in the Father we would be in the Son by the Holy Spirit. It is so simple but people complicate it. And many of the teachers today as Holly is showing us are like the man who leads a child to falsehood and that man should be tied to a millstone and thrown into the sea. That is Jesus view. If he sees that in that way..who are we to downplay it even disregard it?
    This issue is that serious. And if we compromise on even one thing in the Word of God…how long will it take to go the whole way?
    Sin no matter what it is, is pleasurable for the moment..but afterwards is bitterness, regret and even death in many cases.

    Jam 5:19 My brethren, if any among you err from the truth, and one convert him;
    Jam 5:20 let him know, that he who converteth a sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall cover a multitude of sins.

    For some it is truly ignorance and inexperience in their walk with the Lord. But God is soveriegn and scripture is clear…’if any lack wisdom, let him ask of God in faith who gives generously without rebuke…but if that man ask not in faith he is like a wave of the sea tossed about…and that man should not expect anything.’
    One last thing…sorry to be so long but this is important. We all have the Holy Spirit residing in us. The Father and the Son have taken up residence in us. How then can the Sprit contradict his own recorded word? He can’t!!
    Again, Paul described a war between two parts in each of us..the flesh and the Spirit. But squelch the Spirit long enough, he will withdraw…the same concept Paul wrote about when he said ‘God will give them over to the delusion’. You see these warnings are not about the world..they are already self condemned. These warnings are to us, today!! Be not decieved.
    The way is narrow and few find it. Let’s all be passionate about the ‘Truth’ in every way…and lead others to it. Be not decieved no matter how good it looks, feels or tastes..even Eve thought the fruit desirable but in the end it brought death and destruction.

  37. EscMatrix says:

    Jody, Yes, that is fair enough. Like I said, God’s Word is the final authority. I will not twist or take it out of context when I post some examples. I won’t put everything at once or else it will get way too long.

    Also, Rob I will try to incorporate the answer to your question in this upcoming post along with the answer to Jody’s request.

    Laura, again, there are many good points that you are making, but they are not about the subject on this blog. They seem to be about me personally which is fine, but now we are getting off track. But just to answer some of your concern… I do not believe the Spirit of God will ever contradict His word and have never said that. I believe God’s Word is the final authority, but some folks here are leaving out the full counsel of scripture in their short, blunt statements. My request is that we do not take up so much space on here with personal judgments and criticisms… let’s stay on track with the point of this blog. If you want to write long comments about your feeling about me who you don’t even know… please email instead so everyone reading can easily follow the subject.

    As I am putting this together, has anyone found just 1 or 2 scriptures that clearly meet the challenge I gave? If so, please do as I will, and type them out for us to read and decide for ourselves whether or not it is clearly spelled out as you suggest, or if you are drawing conclusions that aren’t really that clear. I know most here have good intentions in their debating, so I am not suggesting anyone here is intentionally trying to deceive others.


  38. David says:

    Dear folks: I have re-read Escmatrix again disagreement with everyone, such as asking again others to meet his challange. I do not believe he gets it. We care about the truth of God’s word EscMatrix, no one needs to prove anything to you at all.The Bible answers all the questions, yet you want us to answer to you. You are not the Lord, please stop your foolishness, we stand on the word of God, that is it that is all.

    Escmatrix, while you continue with your ungodly foolishness, let me ask you one thing how many people did you witness to this week, this month, this year? And did you do it with the idea of The Lord taking center stage?
    Jesus Christ is the final word, He is the Word of God John 1.

    Please as I asked you before, repent and humble yourself before the Lord
    1 Peter 5:5. You would do more good for the Lord witnessing with a humble heart Psalms 51:16-19. I ask you in Jesus name to please please consider what I am saying. I am so broken emotionally at this, dealing with your pride, and I would say so are others Jody, Laura, Rob and all the others. We do not want to argue, The Lord is right end of story.

    I again pray you will take The Lord to heart and listen to Him. I will keep praying for you as I am sure others are and will, please again consider all that is bieng said to you on these blogs.

    In Christ


  39. Holly Pivec says:

    People here have given you Scripture that makes the point that one who gives false prophecies is a false prophet. I cited such Scripture in my post, and the other commenters here have also given Scripture. This teaching can be arrived at both from logic (someone who claims to speak on behalf of an all-knowing God but gets his/her predictions wrong obviously isn’t speaking on behalf of an all-knowing God) and Scripture. You are ignoring clear Scripture that states this by twisting the Scripture, such as Deuteronomy 18:20-22. This passage clearly states that a person who says something that does not come to pass has spoken presumptuously and, therefore, was not sent by God (not sent as a spokesperson for God, i,e., is not a true prophet of God). The same passage says such a person must die. I don’t understand how you cannot see that this is what the passage says.
    Your demand that someone give one verse that make this point (rather than a chapter or passage, like I just gave) is just silly. There are many Christian doctrines that aren’t stated in just one verse, but they are clearly taught in Scripture. I don’t believe you can meet your own challenge and give just one or two verses that directly and clearly state your view that someone who gives false prophecies isn’t a false prophet.

  40. Holly Pivec says:


    Please keep to the issues. Whether EscMatrix has shared the gospel with others isn’t the point being discussed here.

    Thank you!


  41. Jim says:

    None of this should “shock” or “alarm” any true believer in Jesus Christ. Since Christ ascended to heaven, we have been living in the last days. These self appointed prophets, apostles, healers, are simply antichrists that have come to try to pervert the Word of God. Peter stated:
    1But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up.

  42. David says:

    Holly: Witnessing is the point, and as Believers it should in fact should be the only point. Remember The Lord commanded this The Great Commission Matt 28:19-20.

    Holly, we are representing the Lord, loosing that prospective is loosing everything.

    IN Christ


  43. jody says:

    I don’t believe you can meet your own challenge and give just one or two verses that directly and clearly state your view that someone who gives false prophecies isn’t a false prophet.

    He cant Holly….but since he keeps claiming that he can and due to his claims…. may have some questioning whether he is telling the truth or not…..

    I thought it wise to have him show his proof …so that everyone keeping up with this discussion can see and judge for themselves.

    It is the idea expressed in 1 corinthians….put into action….

    1Co 11:18

    For first of all,

    when ye come together in the church,

    I hear that there be divisions among you;

    and I partly believe it.

    1Co 11:19
    ******For there must be also heresies among you,

    so that they which are approved

    may be made manifest among you.******

    God is not the author of confusion and will bless the efforts of those who do His will and keep His word unblemished.

    Luk 21:15
    for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to withstand or to gainsay.

    Tit 1:9
    holding to the faithful word which is according to the teaching, that he may be able to exhort in the sound doctrine, and to convict the gainsayers.

    Pro 30:5
    Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
    Pro 30:6
    Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

  44. Chalulamae says:

    I just found this and realize the last posting was in December but I applaud the efforts at exposing false prophets. I think it has gone on far too long to keep quiet for fear of being an accuser of the brethren. That along with Jezebel ALWAYS come back as name calling if you ever dare go against these so called prophets.
    I did that once – When I worked at Elijah List. I was still being deceived into thinking it was the work of the Lord.

    Everyone there is deceived and led to believe that if you dont come alongside of this “glorious” work then you are missing the only thing going. The church where Steve is elder is also the same church that pays every false prophet to come and teach everything from new age to demonic activity. Not to mention the false prophets who are in sexual sin – usually they were given front row seats with no questions asked. The only reason Steve was listed as a prophet and speaker is because he puts on those conferences at his own church and pays top dollar for all the others. Seems we havent learned very well over the years.

    Glad to miss that boat thank you very much. I pray mercy for Steve and all the people who embrace everything going on there. That church is so incredibly deceived with every false prophet from every place imaginable \you would not even believe it! WE MUST discern for ourselves and test what is being taught. Its a lonely road.

  45. K. Houchens says:

    Dear Holly
    I wholeheartedly agree with you. I have been disturbed by these so called apostles and prophets for awhile now. Being a pastor it is troublesome knowing some in our church follow the people you mention. I have told them I do not agree with these teachers and believe their teachings to be false. Unfortunately some wont listen to sound doctrine.
    Please continue to share the truth of sound doctrine on your web page.
    God Bless You

  46. Double-G (G²) says:

    To the director/author of this blog,

    Thanks so much for posting this excellent, valuable, and insightful website!!! site!!! It’s a blessing in more ways than one!!!!

  47. Rory Casey says:

    I must agree with you that these ‘prophets’ can’t have it all their own way. There is authority that goes with their office. We see in Jeremiah 23v 18 that to receive a prophecy as a prophet one must stand in the council of the Lord to see or to hear His word. Surely this is what they must claim to do, therefore if they truelly have then their utterings would be correct everytime. In other words they should not open their mouths till they are certain that they have heard from God Himself. The ‘test’ for this would be to see if what they have proclaimed comes to pass if it does not then they should be ‘killed’ (their words ignored) until such time as their prophecys start to be fulfilled. Enough smoke an mirrors all of us Christans want to hear from God for our personal lives and that of our nations but until these ‘prophets’ get their acts together they should be ignored. Each of us born again Christians has the fullness of Christ Col 2v9-10 surely we can hear for ourselves.
    Blessings. Rory

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