Bill Hamon’s Dangerous Doctrines
You may never have heard of Bishop Bill Hamon, but you should know who he is. This man (pictured here with his wife, Evelyn) is one of the most influential “prophets” in the apostolic-prophetic movement, which has entered many charismatic churches — the fastest-growing churches in the world according to church growth researchers.
Hamon’s also one of the most influential charismatics in general — attending the invitation-only “Charismatic Leaders Council,” sponsored by Strang Communications (publisher of Charisma magazine), Jan. 15-16, in Lake Mary, Florida. Yet, Hamon’s teachings are some of the most unorthodox teachings in the church today.
Hamon’s Teachings
Hamon teaches that Christ can’t return to earth until Christians form a “militant” army — under the leadership of modern apostles and prophets — that will physically subdue the earth and start to establish God’s kingdom in the earth’s governments. Hamon compares this army to the Crusaders, who he describes as the church’s only bright lights during the Dark Ages.
God’s end-times army will achieve victory, in part, by striking God’s enemies with blindness and calling down natural disasters on them — causing entire nations to convert to Christ, according to Hamon. The apostles and prophets will be so powerful that Christians who come into their presence with sin in their lives will be struck dead. All members of the army will become sinless and extremely powerful — as they become more and more enlightened through new doctrines given by the apostles and prophets — finally attaining their own immortality (this is Hamon’s unorthodox take on the rapture). See these teachings in Hamon’s book Apostles, Prophets and the Coming Moves of God (pictured here).
Hamon’s Influence in the Apostolic-Prophetic Movement
The apostolic-prophetic movement’s most prominent leader may be C. Peter Wagner (pictured here). Yet, Wagner admits that he got many of his views from Hamon, calling Hamon one of his “closest prophetic colleagues” and confessing his great admiration for Hamon (see page 11 of Wagner’s book Changing Church and the foreword Wagner wrote to Hamon’s book Apostles, Prophets and the Coming Moves of God).
Many in the apostolic-prophetic movement regard Hamon as one of the most influential “prophets” today, and those who’ve endorsed his books include Oral Roberts, Tommy Tenney, Cindy Jacobs, Emanuele Cannistraci, David Cannistraci, Earl Paulk and Ed Silvoso.
Background on Bill Hamon
As the founder and bishop of Christian International Ministries Network based in Santa Rosa Beach, Florida, Hamon oversees over 600 churches in 19 countries (see the list here), and he’s authored several books that have been influential in the apostolic-prophetic movement, including Prophets and Personal Prophecy (pictured here). He conducts popular seminars that teach people how to prophesy. (I attended one at the Azusa Street Centennial in Los Angeles last April, and the line of people went out the door. His questionable methods for “activating” people into prophetic gifting are topics for another post.) He also founded Christian International School of Theology, from where he earned his own two degrees: a bachelor of theology and a master of theology. According to his Web site, he also was awarded an honorary doctor of divinity degree in 1973 from an unnamed “national university,” which was when he assumed the title “Dr. Hamon.”
Hamon also serves on the faculty of the Wagner Leadership Institute, based in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
Prophet-Apostle Hamon
In addition to the titles “Bishop” and “Doctor,” Hamon calls himself “Prophet-Apostle.” In fact, he believes God has chosen him to restore doctrines that the church lost through the ages and to reveal new doctrines and final assignments.
Many of Hamon’s doctrines can’t be found in the Bible — but this doesn’t concern Hamon, who teaches that modern “apostles” and “prophets” give the church new doctrines that supplement those given by the original apostles and prophets. In Apostles, Prophets and the Coming Moves of God, Hamon says:
“He [Paul] also reveals that this anointing for divine revelation was not just given to the prophets of old but has now been equally given to Christ’s Holy Apostles and Prophets in His Church” (page 140).
This teaching — that new doctrines are needed to supplement Scripture — is a mark of the cults of Christianity, like Mormonism. In contrast, Protestants believe that Christians get their teachings from the Bible alone, which God revealed through the original prophets and apostles.
Hamon’s New Doctrines vs. the Bible
While Hamon claims that his new doctrines supplement Scripture, they also contradict it. The revelations given by the apostle John in the biblical book of Revelation, for example, teach that the judgments against the wicked will be brought by God, not Christians, and that the rapture will be God’s means of sparing Christians from the effects of those judgments, not a means of attaining their own immortality.
‘Manifest Sons of God’ Doctrine
Hamon’s teachings are consistent with the heretical “manifest sons of God doctrine,” which teaches that a breed of super-Christians will arise and subdue the earth. Another common strain of this doctrine is that Christians are gods, whose divinity will be revealed — or using King James Language — be manifested. Read more about this doctrine here.
Supporters of this doctrine misapply the biblical teaching about the church being Christ’s body, using it to argue that the church actually becomes part of God. (See pages 266-267 of Hamon’s book Apostles, Prophets and the Coming Moves of God, where he seems to be misusing this teaching this way.) Also, in his books, Hamon capitalizes the words “Church” and “Bride” to show the church’s “union with Deity through Jesus Christ,” according to an explanatory note. Statements like these, which appear throughout Hamon’s materials, make it appear he is teaching that the church actually becomes part of God.
Of course, 2 Peter 1:4 does teach that we “participate in the divine nature,” but this refers to the Holy Spirit who indwells us, enabling us — as the passage goes on to state — to “escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.” It does not teach that our nature actually becomes divine. The teaching that human beings can become divine is the same lie that Satan told Eve in the Garden of Eden.
In light of these troubling teachings, Hamon’s influence on so many Christians today disturbs me. I plan to read more of his writings and discuss more of his teachings in future posts.
March 15, 2007 at 8:27 am
Holly,
You stated:
“In light of these troubling teachings, Hamon’s influence on so many Christians today disturbs me. I plan to read more of his writings and discuss more of his teachings in future posts.”
I understand your feelings.
It should disturb us. Just as when a man’s influence causes people to search for the antichrist more than seek the True Christ.
But maybe instead of reading Hamon’s writings we should stick with Christ’s???
It seems that to some there is a devil and a conspiracy behind everything?
a person that sometimes comments here on your blog went as far as to say that God had killed the young man in waco because he was part of the emergent church??? give me a break.
false teaching does disturb me, but also those who cant rest until they expose the person disturbs me as well.
March 15, 2007 at 11:39 am
you bring up some good points Herb….and I think Holly is obeying Christ when she exposes false teaching and she certainly appears to be reading His words (as you suggest)
Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Acts17:11
March 16, 2007 at 5:53 pm
I want to thank you Holly and encourage you for exposing these heratics and thier false teachings. I read your newest blog report about Bill Hammon, I would strongly recommend anyone who reads this and follows Bill Hammon, they need to get away from this person and his false teachings, their is no where in Scripture that states anyone will be made perfect here on earth as we all have a sinful nature Romans 3:10….(NKJV) ” there is none rightoue, no, not one” (NKJV) Romans 3:23 ” for all have sinned all fall short of the glory of God” (NKJV). Bill Hammon would be wiser to confess his sins 1 John 1:9, repent of his sins and ask The Lord into his heart, if he does not he will have no excuse when he stands before Our Lord on judgement day to be cast into the lake of fire Revelation 20:11-15.
In Christ
Dave
March 18, 2007 at 11:04 am
Holly,
Glad to see that someone is writing about these things. I work at a large church that is located about an hour away from a CIMN church. I am frequently asked “why shouldn’t I go there to receive ‘prophetic prayer’?” I have not read all of Hamon’s materials, but enough to concur with your assessment.
Keep it up!
In His love
Sue
March 19, 2007 at 9:32 am
david,
have you ever spoken with bill harmon personally?????
March 19, 2007 at 10:27 am
No Time To Waste Says:
March 19th, 2007 at 9:32 am
david,
have you ever spoken with bill harmon personally?????
Hello whoever you are: I do not need to speak to this man, his writings tell the story. The Lord gives us His Holy Spirit to discern these things and so I will trust The Bible, My Savior and His Holy Spirit in all things. Bill is a heratic as proved by his own works. I would think any Bible believing saved person would never want to argue with Thier Lord Jesus, yet as is proven people will defend false teachings and thier teachers yet never trust nor defend Jesus and His Word The Bible. Which of course leads to wonder if they are saved at all.
I would strongly recommend anyone who reads this and follows Bill Hammon, they need to get away from this person and his false teachings, their is no where in Scripture that states anyone will be made perfect here on earth as we all have a sinful nature Romans 3:10….(NKJV) ” there is none rightoue, no, not one” (NKJV) Romans 3:23 ” for all have sinned all fall short of the glory of God” (NKJV). Bill Hammon would be wiser to confess his sins 1 John 1:9, repent of his sins and ask The Lord into his heart, if he does not he will have no excuse when he stands before Our Lord on judgement day to be cast into the lake of fire Revelation 20:11-15.
Choose today who you will serve Jesus or Bill the choice is yours!!!
In Christ
Dave
March 20, 2007 at 8:32 am
Dave….
you stated….
“Which of course leads to wonder if they are saved at all.”
This is a typical trait that I have found in people that really enjoy blasting other ministries. they find someone that disagrees with them and then begins to question their salvation. the only thing smells of i am better than you. like i said in another post… i am not against speaking out against false prophecy and false teaching…. i am just against this method…. i personally think its weak. holly posted scripture under “name calling” that i totally agree with. where she misses it….. this is not a church or a church body.
i am simply concerned that if all of the judgment coming against so many ministries is more toward the ministry than it is concern for the individual that might fall into those false teachings.
March 27, 2007 at 3:04 pm
Hi Holly!
I recently found your site.
My christian growing backround is from neopentecostalism, so i´m very interested in know more besides my church teaching. So it´s very helpful your site.
Would you give me your email to write you something?
Blessings form Mexico
March 28, 2007 at 6:28 am
I am in agreement with what you have shared here.
Bill Hamon, his heretical teachings and his influence on the apostelic movement and it’s followers are a huge concern.
Here is what I believe. not just because of the Word, and my own discernment but because what I have experienced first hand.
This warped “crusader mentality” is alive and well and growing in strength. It is their way or the highway, and in the future anyone who calls themselves a follower of Christ who speaks against them will not only be falsely labeled a heretic but also treated as such were centuries ago. Though that time of such extremes has not arrived quite YET.
We may speak in love [with firmness] and truth, just as Christ did… but their often venomic, angry and unscriptural responses which try to “rationalize away the truth” show exactly what spirit is control of them… the same one that ultimately cried out “crucify Him” in Jesus’ day.
Just as Christ did, we must pray that God forgive them, and especially pray for them.
God knows that there are still some hearts open up to the truth. Some will actually have ears to hear the message you are trying to bring across here and see the light.
Great site, and a hard calling.. keep up the good work!
March 31, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Hi Holly,
I am sending this because I like your blog. I think you are sincere and down-to-earth. I enjoy reading your articles. I do notice that all your references are to the NIV. After reading your articles I believe that you believe in what you are doing.
I have to believe that you are not aware of just how bad the NIV is. I could fill up pages. Many good men have explored this subject. I have copied some of this.
You are working to expose false doctrine and teachings in the Body of Christ. So I would ask you to consider a few things.
Deception is everywhere. It was not that many years ago we only had one bible. Now I think the count is 124. We went from the KJV to 124 bibles. And my count may be off a few.
The NIV is the most popular. It is called the International version because that is what the plans for it are. The International, anyone of any religion can use it, bible.
All the modern versions are based on Catholic manuscripts. So naturally you would expect to see works and not grace.
One of our Christain Doctrines is that if we except Christ as our Saviour we are saved. The Catholic believes they are saved at infant baptism, (not scriptual), and are being saved daily by their good works, (not scriptual).
In 1 Cor. 1:18 KJV Paul said “but unto us which are saved” . NIV “but to us who are being saved”.
Which is it? Are we saved or are we being saved? Can’t have it both ways. Many other examples
We see a lot of groups today who are more interested in bringing everybody together than they are in Doctrine. We see catholics and muslims and protestants and others all saying we have something in common. Forget your doctrine and lets dine together.
I noticed you quoted Amos 3:2 in the article “Defending Silence”. I wonder if the modern trends are caused by the NIV rendition of the truth.
Amos 3:2 KJV Can two walk together, except they be agreed? Now we know what that means. If you have different doctrine you can’t function together. In fact the second epistle of John says; 2John 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
But what does Amos 3:2 in the NIV say? Do two walk together unless they have agreed to do so? Well, now according to the NIV, me and Osama can walk together simply by agreeing to do so. How nice.
New Agers today will tell you that Jesus and Satan are the same person. If they tell you that and you have the NIV don’t try to deny it. You won’t be able to.
Isaiah 14:12 in the KJV says that Lucifer fell from Heaven. The NIV changed that to the “Morning Star”. But in Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star. We see that Jesus Christ is the Morning Star.
So in the NIV Jesus and Lucifer are the same person. And we wonder where people get these ideas.
In Christianity we have to have a Sinless Saviour. But not in the NIV.
Mat 5:22 KJV But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mar 3:5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched [it] out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
It is amazing what you can do with three little words. Jesus Himself said in Mat 5:22 that if you are angry with your brother “without a cause” you are in danger of the judgement. In Mar 3:5 He is angry with His brother but He has cause to be, “the hardness of their hearts”. If He had no cause He would be in danger of the Judgement. A sinner.
The NIV has deleted those three little words, “without a cause” . Mat 5:22 NIV But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother, will be subject to judgement.
The NIV removes the blood of Jesus Christ!
COLOSSIANS 1:14: The KJB reads, “In whom we have redemption THROUGH HIS BLOOD, even the forgiveness of sins:” The NIV reads, “In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.” The NIV rips out the precious words “THROUGH HIS BLOOD”! Friend, redemption is ONLY “THROUGH HIS BLOOD”. Hebrews 9:22, reads, “. . . without shedding of BLOOD is no remission.” That old song says, “What can wash away my sins, NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS!”
The NIV perverts The Lord’s Prayer into The Devil’s Prayer!
LUKE 11:2-4: The KJB reads, “. . .Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Give us day by day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.” The NIV removes everything that refers to a Holy God in heaven -”WHICH ART IN HEAVEN. . . Thy will be done, AS IN HEAVEN, so in earth. . . but DELIVER US FROM EVIL.” Everything that distinguishes God from the Devil is REMOVED! “OUR FATHER” of the NIV is “NOT IN HEAVEN” and “DOES NOT DELIVER FROM EVIL!” I wonder who it could be? (hint: see John 8:44)
The NIV completely “TAKETH AWAY” 17 verses!
Wonderful and precious verses like:
MATTHEW 18:11: “For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.”.
ACTS 8:37: “And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”
The NIV PERversion completely “TAKETH AWAY” Matthew 17:21, 18:11, 23:14, Mark 7:16, 9:44, 9:46, 11:26, 15:28, Luke 17:36, 23:17, John 5:4, Acts 8:37, 15:34, 24:7, 28:28, Romans 16:24 and 1 John 5:7!
After Mark 16:8 the NIV says, “The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20.” ZAP-There goes another 12 verses! And by the way, that is absolutely untrue! The book, The Last Twelve Verses of the Gospel of Mark, by Dean Burgon contains over 400 pages of documented evidence for Mark 16:9-20, that has never been refuted, nor ever will!
After John 7:52, the NIV, reads, “The earliest and most reliable manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have John 7:53-8:11″ ZAP-There goes another 12 verses!
Matt. 12:47, 21:44, Luke 22:43 and 22:44 are all removed in the footnotes!
That’s 45 complete verses the NIV removes from the text or in the footnotes!
The NIV “TAKETH AWAY” 64,576 words!
Don’t look for the “mercyseat” in the NIV - GONE!
Don’t look for “Jehovah” in the NIV - GONE!
Don’t look for the “Godhead” in the NIV - GONE!
The NIV removes wonderful Bible “terms” like remission, regeneration, impute, propitiation, new testament and many others!
Despite God’s clear warnings about “taking away” from His words - the NIV removes 64,576 words! Over 8 percent of God’s word is “TAKETH AWAY”!
That equals REMOVING the books of Ruth, Esther, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Lamentations, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Malachi, Colossians, I Thessalonians, II Thessalonians, I Timothy, II Timothy, Titus, Philemon, James, I Peter, II Peter, I John, II John, III John, Jude and more - COMBINED!!! The equivalence of ripping out OVER 30 BOOKS of the Bible!
In case you think it’s insignificant words like “thee” and “thou”? The NIV removes major portions of at least 147 verses!
Here’s a small (very small) sampling of words removed in the NIV!
Matt. 6:13, “For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.”
Matt. 15:8, “This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth”
Matt. 19:9, “and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.”
Matt. 20:7, “and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.”
Matt. 20:16, “for many be called, but few chosen.”
Matt. 20:22, “and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with”
Matt. 25:13, “wherein the Son of Man cometh.”
Matt. 27:35, “that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet They parted my garments among them and upon my vesture did they cast lots”
Mark 6:11, “Verily I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.”
Mark 10:21, “take up the cross.”
Luke 1:28, “blessed art thou among women”
Luke 4:4, “but by every word of God”
Luke 4:8, “get thee behind me Satan”
Luke 4:18, “he hath sent me to heal the broken hearted”
Luke 11:2-4, “Our … which art in … Thy will be done, as in heaven so in earth… but deliver us from evil”
John 1:27, “is preferred before me”
John 3:13, “which is in heaven”
John 3:15, “should not perish”
John 11:41, “from the place where the dead was laid”
John 16:16, “because I go to the Father”
Acts 10:6, “he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do”
Acts 15:18, “Known unto God are all his works”
Acts 20:24, “But none of these things move me”
Acts 23:9, “let us not fight against God”
Rom. 8:1, “who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit”
Rom. 13:9, “Thou shalt not bear false witness”
I Cor. 6:20, “and in your spirit which are God’s”
I Cor. 11:24; “Take eat… broken”
II Cor. 10:4, “but mighty through God”
Gal. 3:1, “that you should not obey the truth”
Eph. 5:30, “of his flesh, and of his bones”
Phil. 3:16, “let us mind the same thing”
I Tim. 6:5, “from such wthdraw thyself”
Heb. 7:21, “after the order of Melchisedec”
I Pet. 1:22, “through the Spirit”
I Pet. 4:14, “on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified”
I John 4:3, “Christ is come in the flesh”
I John 5:13, “and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God”
Rev. 1:11, “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last”
Rev. 5:14, “him that liveth for ever and ever”
Rev. 14:5, “before the throne of God”
Rev. 21:24, “of them which are saved”
Jesus Christ says, in Luke 4:4, “. . . It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD of God.” But not according to the NIV! In fact, the NIV even “TAKETH AWAY” the last half of Luke 4:4 - “BUT BY EVERY WORD OF GOD”! And Jesus Christ was quoting Deuteronomy 8:3 to Satan! Does the NIV PERversion seriously think the Lord Jesus Christ does NOT know Duet. 8:3???
There is a lot more but you get the idea.
God Bless
April 2, 2007 at 3:02 pm
Dear Ron,
Thank you for your encouraging words about my blog! I also appreciate you taking the time to share your concerns about the NIV with me. It is my understanding, based on what I’ve read from some of the leading Bible scholars of today, that the NIV and NASB and other new translations are based on older and more reliable manuscripts than the ones the KJV was based on. That’s not to say that the KJV isn’t a good translation, but the others are more faithful to the original manuscripts, according to the consensus of Bible scholars today. Here’s a link to a site operated by Dr. Daniel Wallace of Dallas Theological Seminary that explains why the newer translations are more reliable: http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=665. Wallace is widely recognized as a leading Greek scholar.
Even the editor of the KJV (Erasmus, a Roman Catholic priest), in the preface to the original 1611 edition, acknowledged that, as more manuscript evidence became available, better translations than his could be made. He also acknowledged that the translation of the KJV wasn’t perfect and that even poor Bible translations still contain God’’s word. See Wallace’s article on this here: http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=1823
Also, I don’t believe any doctrines of the Bible are changed in the differing translations. No one reading the NIV would come to the conclusion, for example, that Lucifer and Jesus were the same (at least not a reasonable person). There is a lot about both Jesus and Lucifer throughout the Bible that makes it clear that they are on opposing sides.
I don’t think all religions would feel comfortable with the NIV since it teaches the gospel and all the other distinctly Christian doctrines. The blood of Christ is clearly taught in the NIV.
Here is another of Wallace’s articles called “The Conspiracy Behind the New Bible Translations”: http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=706
Not only is the text of the KJV less reliable, but it is also very difficult for modern readers to understand. I don’t like to see unnecessary barriers put up between people and God’s Word.
Those are my quick thoughts. I hope you’ll look at the sources I linked to because I really believe that the King James Only-stance is unnecessarily divisive. Again, I appreciate your concern for me!
April 9, 2007 at 8:26 am
Hi Holly,
I knew a CI pastor in my area a number of years ago. I know from my short experience with that particular pastor that CI (at least this pastor did) focused heavily on Spiritual Warfare through intercession and Prasie and Worship.
These doctrines you speak of from Bill Hamon are very disturbing to learn of. I don’t want to go buy the book but would like to read the passages on the parts you mention (about the literal militant army).
Could you email me those quotes if it is not too much trouble. I would be intereasted to see what this pastor would say about this issue.
Any doctrine of this nature is very scary to think people can think they are serving God but be so far off base.
April 12, 2007 at 12:31 pm
1. there is spiritual warfare
2. we do fight a fight and war a war
3. the high praise of God is like a two-edged sword
4. the enemy attacks us with words and thoughts
5. one of our weapons is the word… that we speak and declare
6. we are to pull down strong-holds and cast our arguments and imaginations.
7. we are to submit to God, resist the devil to make him flee
April 16, 2007 at 2:29 pm
David Says:
April 16th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
Hello Everyone especially all my Brothers and Sisters in The Lord Jesus Christ: I will be brief. I have given allot of thought and prayer to what we all comment on good, bad or in between. I have decided that after prayer I am and so are most of us reacting to so many things on this blog. We are all in our minds and hearts to one degree or another right.
The point I am trying to make, would it not be wiser for all of us to stop trying to get points across about people and instead concentrate how we could encourage one another in The Word. I know that there are many false teachers and false works, yet do you not think it would be wiser to follow Jesus example and pray for people who we feel are in error of scripture Matthew 5:43-48. If they are wrong, The Lord will, as always, deal with them and thier works, He will deny them Matthew 7:21-23 and Romans 12:19-20. If we go even further we see His example on the Cross
Luke 23:34.
I can speak from personal experience here as I am as wrong as anyone else, and as Jesus also reminds us in Matthew 5:14-16 we are His light, the light of the world, and we are to shine for Him so as to glorify The Father in heaven.
I pray that we can turn Holly’s wonderful blog into an encouraging spirit filled site for one another. It would be so wonderful if others would read this blog and write comments like Trust in the Lord, I recieved Christ today, I was water baptised today, etc.
Thank you all and God Bless
Your Brother in The Lord
Dave
davidandsherri@pei.symapatico.ca
April 26, 2007 at 1:38 am
I currently attend a church that is aligned with WLI, and in the last few years I have seen and heard doctrines that at first puzzled me, but now cause me great concern.
For instance, using Matt 28:19 “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost” as a justification for attempting to take dominion over cities, institutions, even countries etc when the verse plainly refers to people of various ethnic groups and NOT nation states.
One does not, nor cannot, baptize land masses.
It is this sort of misapplication of the Word of God that causes me concern.
In fact there are songs that I cannot in good conscience sing during services because they seem more like self-congratulatory anthems than praises to our God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Perhaps I am wrong, but at times I wonder where the burden for sinners has gone. Where is the awareness of sin? Where has sound doctrine gone?
It grieves me to realize that people I know and care for have bought into this new wineskin doctrine and that I will have to eventually leave a church I have attended (not always faithfully I must admit) for almost 15 years.
If I have to choose between agreeing with Wagner Leadership Institute doctrine and what’s written in the Bible, I will choose the Bible.
It’s words are the words of life.
I do not know what the words of the WLI and their kind are, but I am certain they are not the words that Jesus would have me hear.
April 27, 2007 at 7:03 am
in pursuit of the kingdom and discoering more of my prophetic calling i have come accross books written by the bishop hence would love to learn more and develop in the calling maturely.
would also would like to receive more infromation of the apostolic and prophetic school
July 13, 2007 at 1:36 pm
I only inquired into a church associated with the Bishop. I never heard of him other wise.
The church appeared to be a short term ( 4-6 month) teaching institute.
I e mailed them about there courses.
http://www.extendedlife.net/schools_of_the_holy_spirit.htm
They sent me a recored tape that was incredibly prophetic. Past and current.
So, I know there is lots of weird doctrine floating around, but if these people were not true disciples of JESUS, there is no way they could of prophesied as they did.
Yes?
August 6, 2007 at 10:54 am
I am not a CI person. I just came back from the UK and listening to some CIEurope leaders. Their concern was Jesus, that His Name be preached, that anything that would separate them in their relationship with the Lord would be removed. Every year they spend days and weeks on their face before God, praying that everything that can be shaken will, asking God’s anointing on their schedule and what direction He would have them take, praying that God’s will would be done on earth (Mt.6:10) . Every day their lives are spent obeying whatever the Lord asks of them, even when they don’t want to do it (i.e. speaking to strangers when they just want to be with family, etc). Of course, the daily prayer is vital too, in addition to the yearly prayer for direction.
I have not met anyone who has truly been that surrendered to Christ and that courageous in their prayers. Most have a grocery list of personal favors to ask of the Lord and pretend they don’t hear Him when He “whispers in their ear a direction this way or that” (Isa.) when it is not the direction they want to go.
I do not know the ministry in FL but we are the body of Christ, told to take up armor and fight against the enemy (Eph 6), we are the bride of Christ, told to make ourselves ready for the return of the Bridegroom. I haven’t seen much in the actions of Christians (American anyway) that says I will forget what lies behind and run straight (without distraction) to see that God’s call is fulfilled on this earth.
What then? I’d suggest looking at the fruit of this ministry. Does it build up? Is there salvation of Jesus? Is there a littered trail of damaged people or churches? Do they ask of God things that reflect trust in a living, big God who can do more than we could ever ask or think or do they put God in a box and think He is not capable of the things scripture shows He is capable of? Are they afraid of popular opinion (Mt 10:28)? Are they into materialism or do they use the money they raise to reach more for the gospel (Mt 6:21). Basically, is the fruit that comes out of this ministry healthy or poor (Mt. 7:15-20)? If it is healthy then we need to get out of our armchairs and do something, though what we do is between ourselves and God, but I would not want to speak against something God is doing, no matter how we disagree with a vessel here and there.
It happened all the time in Jesus day, and the people who should have recognized the move as being of God, just sat and critiqued. In the words of Gamaliel (Acts 5:35-39) “…if what they have planned and done is of human origin, it will disappear, but if it comes from God, you cannot possibly defeat them. You could find yourselves fighting against God!” (Today’s English Version)
In these latter days God has called for unity, not separation so what are we truly seeking?
August 7, 2007 at 6:46 am
>but if these people were not true disciples of JESUS, there is no way they >could of prophesied as they did.
Nonsense. The devil and his minions can seem good at ‘prophesying’. The devil even quotes scripture rather well.
http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com
August 8, 2007 at 11:51 am
The church is the Body of Christ. That is scriptural. In the beginning the destiny of man as stated in Genesis was to fill the earth and subdue it. When Christ died on the cross, he restored that to us so that we can indeed subdue the kingdoms and principalities, the spiritual hosts of wickeeness. If we were not in a war, why would Paul say take up the full armor of God? We go on the offensive with the sword of the Spirit, the word of God. Our struggle is not with flesh and blood. In Revelation it says the saints overcame the devil by the blood of Christ and the word of their testimony plus not loving their lives unto death. We can overcome evil principalites through what God has given us.
And may I remind you, the rapture is nowhere mentioned in the Bible. There is no clear teaching about how and when that will take place, only interpretations of men and they do not agree. This imagined scenerio peple have about the rapture is based on a vision a lady had in Scotland. And Dallas Schofiled put the theory in his Bible notes.
We are to occupy until Jesus comes, Jesus says. He says the Kingdom of heaven is something the violent take my force. The wicked could not be referred to here. They could not take the kingdom of God. The saints are the ones and again we must war to claim what belongs to us, what Christ has restored to us. It’s ours. But the devil won’t roll over and play dead.
The Bible declares Jesus is coming back for a Bride without wrinkld or spot. Positional righteousness and the degree we experience are different things, else why would Paul call the Corinthians carnal? Jesus is perfecting us even though in the Cross we are declared rightous. We still must war to walk as the children of God He has saved us to become.
September 21, 2007 at 4:14 am
I would like to receive some of your teaching materials since I do tap into the apostolic and prophetic ministry and I do preach about it. Please do send me some teachings articles of yours to help me enhance this move to those who don’t know it and are not in it.
October 1, 2007 at 4:36 pm
This all happens because there is not a clear understanding about the Kingdom of God and how God works His goverment on earth. Also, there is stated in the book of Ephesians 4:11-13 “11It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. ”
If people really understand all these, there would not be any confusion.
Unfortunatelly many selcalled and ordaind pastors, bishops, preachers, and others who claim be God’s followers have harmed the beliver’s mentality turning it into a religious mentality and not the Kingdom mentality as it was God’s intent. Genesis 1:26 clearly talks about mankind rulership (not ownership) of the earth to subdue it…
there are many books to read about, specially from people lke Myles Monroe, Hank and brenda Kunneman but most importantly the reading and understanding the Bible and having revelation upon it.
God bless and “repent” {matthew 4:14 =renew your mind, the way you think} because the Kingdom of Heaven has arrived
December 18, 2007 at 5:48 pm
I hear alot of attacks here, attacking something you don’t know about!
Eph 4 says the are apostles, prophets, pastors teachers and evangelist.
Do I agree with everything every preacher says absolutly not!
Do I attack them absolutly not.
Why the controversy? The bible says to avoid it (look it up)
We all need to study, pray, and follow peace with all men. The bible says
without holiness no man will see the Lord. Judge not least you be judged!
January 17, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Hi
You should be a journalist (National Enquirer). Write a lot, condemn some, point to faults of others but cannot place meat on the plate. Bill Hammon….. Spirit of Error….Hammon’s new doctrine vs the Bible… Then we are referred to “read more about this doctrine of error”. Instead of condemning why not write facts to prove your points and confirm that what you say is sound. Right now, I can take as myth what you wrote as you did not present anything to prove your point. It is a sad state when someone condemn without justification. Is it a need to show superiority?
Thanks to the Lord that some persons refrained from negative comments for lack of facts but a sad a state for those who agrees with you without clear knowledge of the situation.
I have most and read most of his books and yes sometimes he stretches my mind but would not be ready to condemn for such and yes he could be possibly wrong and I might not be grounded enough in the Word to decipher what is false but at the same time had a lot of my questions answered by reading them. Instead of giving us your views why don’t you give us reference in his specific books and pages or even print a passage of what was said that is not in conformity with the Bible so that everyone can assess what you are presenting. Usually reference is given from any Pastor when giving a teaching or at least he should. I thought that by going to your reference “Read more about this doctrine of error” I would get something new but it was material to confirm your doctrine. Really I still do not know if it applies in this situation. I would be interested in specifically knowing the error(s) from his teachings as they could affect me. Many blessings to you.
March 23, 2008 at 8:08 pm
It seems to mean it is always the case when the purpose of a thing is not understood abuse is inevitable.
I can see clearly that a lot of God’s people do lack great understanding of the Fathers eternal prupose for mankind, who He created in His Image.
The Kingdom government of God, is not a new doctrine or heresy. It is all about the rule of God on earth through His son’s He created in His Image. God does not expect us to live less than that, actually without the manifestation of the son’s of God, the whole world will be in darkness.
We should go to God to help us understand His plan and purpose.
remember “God does not think the way man thinks, neither does He sees things the way man sees things.
In His Light alone must we see light.
I believe the body of Christ need more light and revelation
Kingdom message is not new, that was all Christ Jesus preached and demonstrated, and He has promised, that we as believers we do the same work that He did, for as He is , so are we in this world.
All about the kingdom government of God is supernatural.
By the way the kingdom is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Please study books by Dr. Munroe, to help throw more light on Kingdom issues.
May 12, 2008 at 2:21 pm
I happen to know Bill Hamon personall and I know for sure that he is the real deal. I have attended his church (CI) all my life and I trust that man with my life. Be careful what you say about the Prophets!