Touch Not the Lord’s Anointed

Have you ever heard an “apostle,” “prophet” or Christian teacher warn someone: “Touch not the Lord’s anointed”?

Many church leaders — not just in the apostolic-prophetic movement — quote this verse from Psalm 105:15 when anyone criticizes or challenges their teachings or actions. Sometimes, they may quote the entire verse: “Do not touch my anointed ones; do my prophets no harm.”

When quoting this verse, they usually imply or directly state that God will judge a person who criticizes them and perhaps strike the person dead.

Yet, they are quoting this verse out of context. The verse is contained within a psalm, Psalm 105, which is about God’s protection of the people of Israel and His deliverance from their oppressors. Just a few verses before verse 15, we can see that the “anointed ones” weren’t just the leaders of Israel, but all the people of Israel. The verse showed that God would not allow the people of Israel to be physically harmed by their enemies because He was divinely protecting them.

Yet, church leaders today who quote this verse don’t mention that it was referring to all the people of Israel. They act like the verse was speaking only about leaders — and that it applies only to them.

This verse has nothing to do with criticizing or questioning church leaders. In fact, many Bible passages warn us to carefully evaluate church leaders’ teachings and actions by Scripture. For example, the apostle Paul urged Titus — a church leader in Crete — to appoint overseers who would oppose teachers who were contradicting Scripture (Titus 1:9).

No church leader is above such scrutiny, according to the Bible. Even the apostle Paul’s teachings were tested according to Scripture by the people who lived in Berea (Acts 17:11). And notice that the Bereans were praised for doing this — they weren’t told to just accept Paul’s teachings because he claimed to be an apostle. If the apostle Paul’s teachings needed to be tested by Scripture, then certainly no teacher today is above scrutiny.

That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t respect our leaders. The Bible teaches us to respect them. But showing them respect doesn’t mean that we don’t test their teachings and actions by Scripture. Our first loyalty is to the Bible, not them.

Also — this is a crucial point — the New Testament teaches that all Christians are the Lord’s anointed, not just special “apostles,” “prophets” or teachers. The apostle Paul told the Corinthians believers: “Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come” (2 Corinthians 1:21-22).

In case Paul wasn’t clear enough, the apostle John also taught that all Christians have God’s anointing when he said: “But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth … As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him” (1 John 2:20, 27). The reason John said this was because certain teachers were falsely claiming they had a special anointing that set them apart from other Christians — the same thing some leaders are claiming today.

So, according to the Bible, all Christians have an anointing. This is a beautiful truth. Let it sink in.

We all, if we belong to Christ, have God’s anointing — not just Christian leaders. Yet, often, “apostles,” “prophets” and teachers try to act like they have a higher status with God than other Christians. This reveals pride on their part. Yet, one of the most important qualities that a church leader is supposed to possess, according to the Bible, is humility. It is a characteristic of our Lord who told his disciples that their lives — like His — were to be marked by humility and loving service (Mark 10:42-45).

I get concerned when I see church leaders act like only they have God’s anointing and that people who want the anointing must get it from them. All Christians have special status with God because of their relationship with Christ. All Christians have the Holy Spirit living inside them. Please don’t ever let anyone rob you of that.

And be careful if you hear a church leader quote “Touch not the Lord’s anointed” when someone criticizes or challenges them. They are using a common and unbiblical scare tactic to silence their critics.

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44 Responses to Touch Not the Lord’s Anointed

  1. john says:

    I have been accused of ‘touching the anointed.’ I was just looking at this word the other day.

    Vincents Word Studies

    Discerned (anakrino)- Of examining the Scriptures, Acts 18:11, but with the sense of proving or coming to a judgment on. The fundamental idea of the word is examination, scrutiny, following up a series of objects or particulars in order to distinguish.

    All these verbs always impress me as to be something you do with your mind. The Enoch in Acts could not make sense of the Book of Isaiah until someone who had examined, scrutinize and investigated the teachings came along and explained it to him.

    I believe this is why study is so important in “making disciples”

  2. Rob Willmann says:

    Have you looked into the teachings of the various speakers that are under the umbrella of the Prophecy Club?

    There are quite a number of false teachers in that bunch.

    I recently did a google search of their group, and it’s has so many errors of different stripes it’s not even funny.

  3. David says:

    Please read the following Scriptures 2 John 2:20 and 27 both NIV and NKJV. We who are saved have the annointing in us, as the annointed one of God was and is His Son Jesus Christ. We have The Lord in us always.
    Hebrews 13:5 both NIV and NKJV He (Jesus) will never leave nor forsake us. and Matthew 28:20 NIV and NKJV He (Jesus) will be with us always even until the end of the age. We need to use our Godly authority given us Luke 10:19 and rebuke these ungodly people who are false prophets 1 John 4:1 with the spirit of the anti-christ 1 John 4:3.

    These people who use The Bible wickedly and for dishonest and wicked gain will suffer for this, please the next time a person throws scripture at someone to scare them, remember to be like Jesus Matthew 4:1-11 and stand bodly on The Word, knowing that you have The indwelling of The Holy Spirit Romans 5:5 NIV and NKJV. Remember what happened in
    Acts 5.

    These people are of thier father the devil John 8:44 and his works like thiers will follow them into thier final home Revelation 20:10. Apostosy teachers beware The Lord watches everything and judgement day is coming, Revelation 20:11-15, what a fearful thing it is to fall into the hands of The Living God Hebrews 10:31.

    I rebuke you all, that is you false prophets and false teachers in Jesus name.

    In Christ

    Dave

  4. john says:

    Dave calm down there guy. There are false religions all over the place. You will never have a meaningful conversation woth them if you start rebuking the miniute they take scripture out of context.

  5. David says:

    john Says:

    April 3rd, 2007 at 7:27 pm
    Dave calm down there guy. There are false religions all over the place. You will never have a meaningful conversation woth them if you start rebuking the miniute they take scripture out of context.

    Dear John: why is it everytime the Bible gets defended and is used to expose herasies, false teachers and thier teachings, really we are contending for the faith Jude 4, someone like you comes says to calm down. People are forever decieved and hurt by these people and thier lies and deceptions.

    Defending these people could lead others to believe these heratics are correct, which they are not. I am sorry if this offends you, yet thier are many people going astray and many of those same people will end up in hell because of the lies of these false teachers!

    Let me ask you this are we to defend the potter or the clay?

    One last thing Jesus Christ is not a religion nor is real Christianity. Jesus is Our Lord and Savior, and for those who recieve Him into thier hearts as
    Lord and Savior they have a relationship with The Father, through The Son empowered by The Holy Spirit which is not a religion but a relationship with Our Living Lord and God, Jesus Christ.

    In Christ

    Dave

  6. john says:

    Dave,

    I believe in defending the Bible because I just came out of a cult. I understand the zeal to want to correct people who use the Bible wrongly. But neither you nor I can change the fact that many will fall away in the end times. You just sound so militaristic which in itself scares me. I get mad too, but I have learned “rebuking” people is not a way to change their minds. Including false teachers. I cannot make someone believe but I can be ready to give an answer in love and patience. Neither of us are responsible for results only how we respond. I don’t see anything wrong with teaching a Sunday School class on the subjects the false teachers propagate.

    You said: One last thing Jesus Christ is not a religion nor is real Christianity

    I understand your point and would not say you’re wrong. However; Christianity is a system of thought, God’s plan divinely revealed to us. The Author gives the system of thought authority as Truth. All religions are an attempt to explain reality and Christianity is no different. Christianity is different for its Author.

    You said: We need to use our Godly authority given us Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

    You talk a lot about this power given to us to rebuke false teachers and you imply that this power we posses is capable of causing harm—“ Remember what happened in Acts 5”.
    Assuming you mean Ananias and Sapphire are we to understand you to say we can go out and kill these false teachers? Do we posses the kind of power you imply when you say,
    “We need to use our Godly authority given us ..”

    Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

    Do we have the ability that “nothing shall hurt” us? From what I have read all the Apostles were killed. Have things changed today as you imply through your use of scripture?

    I don’t mean to be antagonistic but your military stand on a power is out of context and over zealous. I am glad you have a zeal for the Word of God, so many don’t. I just think you might want to consider a little more wisdom mixed with your zeal. I notice how angry you sounded at my comment to calm down. “…someone like you comes [along and] says to calm down.” I will admit I could have said it a little better.

    We don’t have the ability to tread serpents nor scorpions. We do have the ability to know our God and his plan for man and to share that plan in a loving and cogently way.

    John

  7. David says:

    Dear John: I usually do not get into this back and forth disagreeing type of stuff, yet you made some comments which I will out of Christian Love do my best to respond to. Please read this and I will put my comments starting with (Dave’s reply.)

    john Says:

    April 4th, 2007 at 2:44 pm
    Dave,

    I believe in defending the Bible because I just came out of a cult. I understand the zeal to want to correct people who use the Bible wrongly. But neither you nor I can change the fact that many will fall away in the end times. You just sound so militaristic which in itself scares me.

    (Dave’s reply : I am not militaristic, I am very firm on the Word of God, as Paul was Galatians 1: 6-10 and 2:11-21 and if you explore Jesus words in Matthew 23 you will see they defended things with the same heart)

    could every time I have not been firm tI get mad too, but I have learned “rebuking” people is not a way to change their minds.(Dave’s reply Jude 9 says it best)

    Including false teachers. I cannot make someone believe but I can be ready to give an answer in love and patience. Neither of us are responsible for results only how we respond. I don’t see anything wrong with teaching a Sunday School class on the subjects the false teachers propagate.

    You said: One last thing Jesus Christ is not a religion nor is real Christianity

    I understand your point and would not say you’re wrong. However; Christianity is a system of thought, (Dave’s reply Christianity is not a system of thought, Jesus never thought His death on the cross, He really pyhsically suffered and died, Isaiah 52:13-53:12, Matthew 26:36-28:20. The new agers use terms like visions, thoughts, The Bible differs as it means and states actual pyhsically happenings. The blood was and is real, The nails where and are real, The cross was and is real, The pain was and is real, the suffering was and is real, no visions the real thing)

    God’s plan divinely revealed to us. The Author gives the system of thought authority as Truth. All religions are an attempt to explain reality and Christianity is no different. Christianity is different for its Author.

    You said: We need to use our Godly authority given us Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

    You talk a lot about this power given to us to rebuke false teachers and you imply that this power we posses is capable of causing harm—“ Remember what happened in Acts 5”. Assuming you mean Ananias and Sapphire are we to understand you to say we can go out and kill these false teachers? (Dave’s reply: I am not implying to harm or kill anyone, Romans 12:17-19, The Holy Spirit was lied to Acts 5:3 and they tested the Holy Spirit Acts 5:9 in an evil way, this chapter referrs to and His, The Holy Spirit’s, power bieng exercised)

    Do we posses the kind of power you imply when you say,
    “We need to use our Godly authority given us ..” Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. ((Dave’s reply: we have The Holy Spirit and we do have Spiritual authority over the power of the devil, also look at Jude 9. In fact 1 Peter 5:8-9 tells us to resist him in Faith)

    Do we have the ability that “nothing shall hurt” us? From what I have read all the Apostles were killed. Have things changed today as you imply through your use of scripture? (Dave’s reply: nothing has changed he the devil can hurt us physically, yet verbally we can rebuke him and evil people and evil works and so spiritually he can not hurt us )

    I don’t mean to be antagonistic but your military stand on a power is out of context and over zealous. I am glad you have a zeal for the Word of God, so many don’t. I just think you might want to consider a little more wisdom mixed with your zeal. I notice how angry (Dave’s reply: I am not and am not angry)

    you sounded at my comment to calm down. “…someone like you comes [along and] says to calm down.” I will admit I could have said it a little better.

    We don’t have the ability to tread serpents nor scorpions. (Dave’s reply: I would read Acts 28:1-6 before you ask if we have the ability to tread serpents)

    We do have the ability to know our God and his plan for man and to share that plan in a loving and cogently way.

    John

    (In Christian Love

    Dave)

  8. Justin says:

    I hear what you are saying, it is not right for leaders to quote this out of context. On the same note we do not have the right to public (or privately) critisize them everytime they amke a mistake.

    Regardless whether you agree with them 100% of the time (which you won’t) you still need to respect them because they are your leader. God appoints all authority in your lives (pastor’s, politians, parents) and they are His extended authority. This does not mean we follow blindly either. If you disagree then go to them personally and talk about it don’t go complaining behind their back.

    I am interested to know if you have anything negative to say about John Bevere. I have been reading his bok “Under Cover” and find it very refreshing. We are to always submit to the authority over us (respect them even in disagreement). John talks about unconditional submission but not unconditional obedience. We are not to obey if it violates the Word of God but other than that we are to obey even when we don’t agree.

    Cheers

    Justin

  9. David says:

    Justin Says:

    April 5th, 2007 at 9:04 am
    I hear what you are saying, it is not right for leaders to quote this out of context. On the same note we do not have the right to public (or privately) critisize them everytime they amke a mistake.

    Regardless whether you agree with them 100% of the time (which you won’t) you still need to respect them because they are your leader. God appoints all authority in your lives (pastor’s, politians, parents) and they are His extended authority. This does not mean we follow blindly either. If you disagree then go to them personally and talk about it don’t go complaining behind their back.

    I am interested to know if you have anything negative to say about John Bevere. I have been reading his bok “Under Cover” and find it very refreshing. We are to always submit to the authority over us (respect them even in disagreement). John talks about unconditional submission but not unconditional obedience. We are not to obey if it violates the Word of God but other than that we are to obey even when we don’t agree.

    Cheers

    Justin

    Dear Justin: Please know that the only authority we have is The Lord. Yes we are to be respectful of our own pastors, we are though never to be submissive to someone or a group of others who misuse The Lord’s authority. They can say what they want, yet the teach in the public eye where they need to be held accountable by The Lord’s word, The Bible.

    Lets look at Jude 10-19 NKJV Jude in verse 11 starts out with “Woe to them” Paul in Galatians 1:6-10 verse 11 Paul says “that if anyone preaches a different gospel let them be accursed or damned”. Paul again warns us of these people 2 Corinthians 11:5-15 verse 13 “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. Philippians 3:19 “Whose end is destruction and whose god is thier belly, and whose glory is thier shame- they set thier mind on earthly things” 1 Timothy 4:1-11 verse 1 “Now the Spirit (The Holy Spirit) expressly says some will depart from the faith, giving heed to doctrines of demons (any other doctrine that is not of the bible). 2 Timothy 4:1- 5 verse 3 “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, (The Bible), but according to thier own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers verse 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and aside to fables”. 2 Peter 2:1-22 again these people( false teachers – apostles) are pointed out.

    Justin these letters where written for the public to see, in the churches and in the Bible. These people are who they are, false teachers with false teachings, and whether a person like John Bevere writes a book good or not, he is not Jesus Christ. Look at Matthew 23. The point is these people need to be help accountable in the public as this is where they are putting thier ungodly works. We who are Christians are called to contend for the faith in Our Lord Jude 3 and defend the Gospel Galatians 2, and we are instructed to Preach the word and rebuke the works and workers of false doctrine 2 Timothy 4:2.

    Justin are you saved? If not why not and if you are why are you defending heretics and false teachers, you are called to serve The Lord, according to His Word The Bible. If any of the false teachers has a problem with what I or someone on this blog has to say in our defense of The Word, they should please let us know what we are doing wrong in thier eyes. We serve Our Lord not these people. These people should read Isaiah 52:13-53:12 and Matthew 26:26-28:20.

    In Christ

    Dave

  10. Justin says:

    You see you completely misunderstood what I said.

    I have been saved for 17 years. When did I say I was defending false prophets? I clearly said that obedience is not unconditional. If your pastor is telling you something that contridicts the Bible then you are not to do it. I said that. But what we are required to do is still respect them, and perhaps go to them and point out their error not gosip or complain to others behind their back. I am referring to the leaders directly over you, not the people you are talking about on this blog.

    If you have gone to your pastor or leader and they refuse to see their error then perhaps it is time to step out from under their authority.

    I never said blindly follow and obey everything they say. they are people and do mess up too.

    The hostility you guys show towards anyone that remotely questions your statements is concerning. I am glad you want to expose false teaching but you seem to have the attitude of those you critisize; don’t question anything I say.

  11. David says:

    Dear Justin: I am read your reply. I will respond as you have stated things I said which I never did. I will (Dave’s Response)

    Justin Says:

    April 5th, 2007 at 12:58 pm
    You see you completely misunderstood what I said.

    I have been saved for 17 years. When did I say I was defending false prophets? I clearly said that obedience is not unconditional. If your pastor is telling you something that contridicts the Bible then you are not to do it. I said that. But what we are required to do is still respect them, and perhaps go to them and point out their error not gosip or complain to others behind their back. I am referring to the leaders directly over you, not the people you are talking about on this blog.

    If you have gone to your pastor or leader and they refuse to see their error then perhaps it is time to step out from under their authority.

    I never said blindly follow and obey everything they say. they are people and do mess up too.

    The hostility you guys show towards anyone that remotely questions your statements is concerning. I am glad you want to expose false teaching but you seem to have the attitude of those you critisize; don’t question anything I say.

    (Dave’s Response) Hello Justin did you read my last response, I am not showing hostility as you have put things here, I responded using the Word of God, where is the anger in this. With a statement like that you must be saying Paul was angry in his defense of The Word, when confronting Peter Galatians 2:1-10 and as well Jesus words Matthew 23. I am doing what they showed us from The Word of God, to do. My Lord died on the cross and these heratics are using His name and His cross and His diety for thier ill gotten and wicket gain, it is very disheartening to see anyone come to thier defense, especially when the term authority is used. We have authority over them, as they are of thier father the devil John 8:44. Let us never forget that.

    In Christ

    Dave

  12. john says:

    Justin I agree Dave is not listening. I understood your point

    Dave I do believe in a histiorical real crucifixion. You missed my point also.

  13. Justin says:

    Thanks John. I was thinking it was my writing skills. I was never really good in English class 😉

  14. Justin says:

    Just a question. Do you guys pray for the people you are exposing on this site? Have you ever attempted to contact them to discuss your concerns? The way you speak of these people sounds like you have written them off and they are beyond hope.

  15. David says:

    john Says:

    April 6th, 2007 at 5:41 am
    Justin I agree Dave is not listening. I understood your point

    Dave I do believe in a histiorical real crucifixion. You missed my point also.

    Justin Says:

    April 6th, 2007 at 6:35 am
    Thanks John. I was thinking it was my writing skills. I was never really good in English class

    Justin Says:

    April 6th, 2007 at 6:37 am
    Just a question. Do you guys pray for the people you are exposing on this site? Have you ever attempted to contact them to discuss your concerns? The way you speak of these people sounds like you have written them off and they are beyond hope.

    Dave’s Response:Justin and John: I am glad you agree with each other that is great. I always find it surprising that when people like us that expose herasies, false teachers and thier works using The Lord’s word, people like John and Justin attack. Why don’t you pray and ask The Holy Spirit for some Godly Discernment here. I have not and will not base my views on my own merrits, I always use as anyone who reads my responses in Holly or anyones blogs, The Word of God.

    I am yet to see either of you use The Word of God and lots of Scripture to make your points. It is what you think, not what The Lord thinks that matters to you both. I do not care to be right, but I do care that others know God’s word is the final say, and I have defended His word, and critisized the false garbage of the false teachers. This is why anytime I respond in a blog such as this I use the only Authoritative manuel for this The Bible, God’s word.

    I would be glad by the way to speak to these heratics, yet like the JW’s, and Mormons these people are in thier eyes right,ot full of pride, and thier ungodly writings misquoting scripture prove this. Please do not accuse us who do our research on these people and thier works of not wanting to confront them. They do not like people like us as we stand on The word of God, and do not taint it.

    Holly, has many time exposed these people, and they do not respond on her blog, the reason is they know they are wrong and false teachers. They should call us on what we write and try and prove us wrong, but they know that unlike those they decieve and those that defend them and thier ungodly works, we are not blinded by them. We use God’s Word, as did the apostles of the Bible, and we stand on this. If they would like to go public in a debate over biblical truths that would be great, yet they are cowards like their father satan. He had to hide in Judas Iscariot and cause Judas Iscariot to betray The Saviour, my Lord and Saviour. These peope are the same, they wicketly use God’s Word for evil gain and deception. If they ever really asked Jesus Christ into thier hearts after truly repenting of thier evil sins, then Jesus would by The Holy Spirit show them the truth. They do not want the truth, nor do you. Stop defending them and start defending Jesus Christ, he is Lord, He is God.

    I will not be answering anymore of your responses as you both are just wanting to be argumentive based on what you think. I want others to see and know what Jesus is about and your critisism of me and others like myself, true Christians defending Our Lord’s Word needs to be repented of by yourselves, look Jesus Christ shed His Blood for us, yet you want to condemn us for what we believe, you want us to agree with them and so everyone gets along no one gets hurt, yet millions of people are getting hurt by these heratics, and you stand by and defend them. You are like the people who say, the Islamic religion is a religion of peace, yet these people are full of evil. They force people to convert to Islam by force, they murder innocent people for thier false god Allah and they are continuosly on the move to grow to be the religion of the world. They hate Christians and Jews, God’s chosen people and they make no bones about it. They continue to kill Jews in Israel, the land that belongs to them, The Jews God’s people, no one else.

    Please I beg you in Jesus name to repent and rethink your position and choose this day who you will serve Jesus Christ or his enemy satan.

    In Jesus name I pray

    In Christ Dave

  16. edward says:

    Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego did not take Nebuchadnezzar to the side and explain his sciptural error; but when all bowed down they stood tall for truth and faith. The article is about those who wish all to bow down and not stand. These are those who make a merchandise of the saints, prove it to yourself. Like Nebuchadnezzar, grazing on grass may be the only thing to snatch them out of the fire. They have forfeited all authority when they bought and sold their first soul. Unsheathing the double-edged sword (the Word) is painful but healing when you involve the Healer, Christ Jesus.

  17. Justin says:

    Romans 13:1-2
    Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

    Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

    Acts 23:1-5
    Paul looked straight at the Sanhedrin and said, “My brothers, I have fulfilled my duty to God in all good conscience to this day.” At this the high priest Ananias ordered those standing near Paul to strike him on the mouth. Then Paul said to him, “God will strike you, you whitewashed wall! You sit there to judge me according to the law, yet you yourself violate the law by commanding that I be struck!”

    Those who were standing near Paul said, “You dare to insult God’s high priest?”

    Paul replied, “Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written: ‘Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people.'[a]”

    You guys are not hearing what I am saying. You are to unconditionally respect your leaders (the leaders directly over you, your local pastor, your politians, etc) I DID NOT say anything about false prophets, I am referring to the topic of this article.

    BUT if these leaders tell you to go against the Word of God then you ARE NOT to obey, but still respect them.

    Edward using your example, Look at the response Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego gave to Mebuchadnezzar.

    Daniel 3:16
    Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to the king, “O Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to save us from it, and he will rescue us from your hand, O king. But even if he does not, we want you to know, O king, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.”

    They still spoke with respect to the King. They didn’t say, no way you son of Satan we won’t listen to anything you say.

    That is the difference I am talking about. Still showing respect to God’s appointed leaders AND still obeying God’s Word.

    I pray you truly understand me now, not accuse me again of defending false prophets (if I am that must me your local church pastor is a false prophet) or compare me to a suicide bomber (that is laughable Dave).

  18. David says:

    Justin Says:

    April 7th, 2007 at 4:35 am

    or compare me to a suicide bomber (that is laughable Dave).

    Justin: I never ever compared you to a suicide bomber, do you even read what I or others write, it likes you do not. Please re read what I wrote. The scriptures you quote about Paul are related to when religious leaders had as much authority as government people, this is not the case today. And the case of daniel’s friends thier king was a government leader and king. We are to give them, government leaders, respect for thier positions as such. We are not to respect any religious person who has authority and acts sinful or evil towards us. We have authority over these people, pastors or not. If a pastor is acting ungodly this person is to be brought before the church and the church is to openly amungst the chruch body decide the fate of this person. A pastor is not above God when it comes to sinning. They are to be held accountable by us.

    Please stop misusing scripture and ask The Holy Spirit for proper Godly discernment and Godly wisdom. have you ever really researched anything and prayed about it, you are way off base in so many ways. Please, please repent and ask The Holy Spirit to help you. Trying to prove everyone wrong because you do not agree, really you do not go to The Holy Spirit for guidance is not very wise.

    I pray you will consider this, as look at the rebuking Peter took from Jesus when Peter told Jesus he, Jesus, that he would not die. Peter rebuked The Lord Matthew 16:2–23 and look what Jesus compared Peter to satan. This was not the first nor the last time Peter spoke before listening to God, which got him in trouble. In fact Paul in Galatians 2:1-10 has to rebuke Peter again.

    In Christ Dave

  19. Wendy says:

    Dave

    Truly you are much learned in the word and you know how to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH. My daily prayer is that I will come into the knowledge of truth and walk completely in this truth.

    You are indeend blessed with understanding, as you are right on target with the False Teaching, continue to write what the Lord put on your heart, some will come into truth and some will not., Bro try not to be distracted by various comments as some will defend false teachers to the end and never come into the Knowledge of truth.

    Be Blessed

    In Christ

  20. Mark says:

    Praise God for the spirit of truth! As I have red many entries above how important it is to be able to rightly divide the word of truth. Leaders who claim that scripture to not touch God’s anointed are not able to see much beyond what they want to see. Jesus says that if you want to be a leader you must first be a servant. God is not a respecter of persons. Jesus is the head of the church. False teachers have their reward just prove what is accurate with the Word and don’t fall into their trap. Theselonians says, Prove all things, cleave to that which is good. abstain from every appearance of evil. Without the word of truth it would be impossible to do this!
    In search of truth and peace, Mark

  21. jay says:

    I think we can agree that God only annoints jews as prophets not gentiles.

  22. Mark says:

    Thanks Jay for an example of a spirit of error!

  23. Holly Pivec says:

    Alex, your comments about Dave crossed a line. Please refrain from name-calling, tasteless language and personal attacks on this blog.

  24. David says:

    Dear Wendy: I appriciate you kind words, The thanks must go to The Holy Spirit, he shows in His time The Father’s Will and ways to all Believers. I can only speak by what The Spirit shows me Daniel 12:10, Joel 2:28, Romans 5:5, 16:26, 1 Corintians 12:3, Galatians 1:11-12, 2:2. Please pray and ask he Holy Spirit to show you all The Father Wills for you to understand, as He will. The Father wants to show you through The Bible and prayer. The Father wants His children, all Born again Believer’s, to know the truth His truth.

    Wendy, you will get mocked by others, yet The Lord will reward you, Revelation 22:12, for your diligent search of The Bible and The Fathers Will in all things. In fact look at Revelation 1:3 The Lord tells John anyone who reads The Word’s of His prophecy are Blessed by Him.

    Just knowing that Jesus Christ is Our Lord and Savior is a true blessing on its own. His Blood covers us in Love, His Love on His Cross.

    Thank you again and Bless you as well

    In Christ Dave

    Wendy Says:

    April 7th, 2007 at 8:42 am
    Dave

    Truly you are much learned in the word and you know how to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH. My daily prayer is that I will come into the knowledge of truth and walk completely in this truth.

    You are indeend blessed with understanding, as you are right on target with the False Teaching, continue to write what the Lord put on your heart, some will come into truth and some will not., Bro try not to be distracted by various comments as some will defend false teachers to the end and never come into the Knowledge of truth.

    Be Blessed

    In Christ

  25. Rob Willmann says:

    Noone responded to my post above, so I will reintroduce it:

    Have you looked into the teachings of the various speakers that are under the umbrella of the Prophecy Club?

    There are quite a number of false teachers in that bunch.

    I recently did a google search of their group, and it’s has so many errors of different stripes it’s not even funny.

    do a google search for:

    Stan Johnson prophecy Club

    and just start reading. So sad.

  26. milinda says:

    ask the Lord to give you discernment on religious spirits even satan quoted the word of God

  27. kimberly says:

    yes rob, there are many that feel your sentiment.

    the prophecy club has been proven to be dangerous to the spiritual health of many a prophecy buff.

    this topic is about touching the Lord’s annointed. funny thing is i guess its only ok to touch those who we are not using. i am sure if holly’s dad were invited to speak at rick’s church or in his ministry “tour” that rick would suddenly become untouchable.

    we claim to be called to name name’s but obviously we like taking the spec out of others eye instead of removing the log from our own.

    yes rob, it is sad. so sad.

    staying tuned.

  28. Lee says:

    Our pastor has the leaders or want-to-be leaders involved in the John Bevere Under the Cover series now. We began last night. I am always made to feel a struggle in my gut when I hear about submission. I know I am to be submitted to God through His Son. The book says in quoting the bible that ALL authority is appointed by God. Good and Evil. Church, government and family. It says that we should be as Jesus when He was accused He didn’t defend himself allowing God to defend Him.

    So one of my first thoughts was if a child is born to a father that molest him/her is he to be submitted to that authority of the father? A woman should be submitted to her husband so is she outside the cover of protection if she leaves her husband because he beats her even to the point of death? Is America in error of God’s teaching when we go to a country that is under a leader (all authority is appointed by God) and take that leader out of where God has put him?

    When I stand before God my pastor won’t be there to take any of the fall. Just how far do you submit. The teaching of this book is that if you say I will be submitted as long as I agree with what you say or do then that isn’t not submission and you are being birthed into Ismauel.

    Any comments?

  29. David says:

    Dear Lee: The submission that John Bevere is talking about is no matter what, we are to take it, abuse etc. He is totally wrong. Bieng Christians we will get persecuted for our beliefs, and the finished work of The Cross proves that, yet John Bevere believes in total submission no matter what. When a person is raped, molested, beaton etc this is of the enemy and needs to be rebuked and dealt with. We are Christians and we are not punching bags and blow up dolls to beat and abuse from someone in authority. Look at the abuse in the catholic church, molestation etc, and these people, mainly priests get away with this garbage because people are afraid of them, as they abuse thier authority in The Lord’s name. If those same priests who abuse where abusing in public or where bieng abused by others they would want it stopped.

    The Lord expects people in authority to do it within the confines of scripture, where does John Bevere find in scripture for us to submit to wicketness and evil as a Godly principal. Jesus commands us how we are to treat others Matthew 22:37-39. Where does someone find Jesus saying this means to submit to evil, rape, molestation, etc. He never said it!!
    If anyone who has any authority abuses these principals from The Lord, he or she or they are acting in a sinful and evil way. Titus 2:11-15 verse 15 tells us to rebuke with all authority, and this includes anyone in authority pastor, deacons, parents, spouses, siblings, police officer’s, government officials etc. Government officials ofetn abuse thier authority, yet if they try and inforce evil on us they can be fired and voted out.
    They are not God, and such they have no authority if they are acting in an evil way.

    The best thing to always do is pray and ask The Holy Spirit to help you discern things from scripture. These people in authority we need to put on the foot of the person in authority and ask them can we rape you, or molest you, or abuse you, they would be foolish and unwise to say yes. They would not allow this kind of conduct especially if you asked them if they would abuse thier authority in the public eye where others can see and hold them accountable for thier actions.

    In Psalms 1 and Proverbs 1 the Lord tells us to stay away from evil and wicket people. People who abuse and then use a statement we must submit to authority because they are God’s people over someone or a group are taking God’s Word totally out of contexted.

    Lee I hope this helps, please e-mail me if you would like:

    davidandsherri@pei.sympatico.ca

    In Christ Dave

    Lee Says:

    April 13th, 2007 at 6:53 am
    Our pastor has the leaders or want-to-be leaders involved in the John Bevere Under the Cover series now. We began last night. I am always made to feel a struggle in my gut when I hear about submission. I know I am to be submitted to God through His Son. The book says in quoting the bible that ALL authority is appointed by God. Good and Evil. Church, government and family. It says that we should be as Jesus when He was accused He didn’t defend himself allowing God to defend Him.

    So one of my first thoughts was if a child is born to a father that molest him/her is he to be submitted to that authority of the father? A woman should be submitted to her husband so is she outside the cover of protection if she leaves her husband because he beats her even to the point of death? Is America in error of God’s teaching when we go to a country that is under a leader (all authority is appointed by God) and take that leader out of where God has put him?

    When I stand before God my pastor won’t be there to take any of the fall. Just how far do you submit. The teaching of this book is that if you say I will be submitted as long as I agree with what you say or do then that isn’t not submission and you are being birthed into Ismauel.

    Any comments?

  30. kimberly says:

    David…. can you show proof to your accusation of john bevere. can you provide a link to HIS OWN material where he states concerning abuse… and i quote you… “no matter what, we are to take it, abuse etc.”

    your words are pretty strong concerning him. please provide something to substantiate you comments…. i would appreciate it.

    the authority issue applies anywhere. there is authority everywhere. most people do not like authority. there is authority in the church as well, and because people do not want to submit to it, we have confusion.

    there are people that start churches because they want things their own way. those people, though saved, have no business leading people in a church setting.

    of course our ultimate authority in God’s word. even our governments, law enforcement officials do not deserve submission if they usurp their authority over God’s.

    Its really common sense. it works in the home between a husband and wife. between parents and children, between a pastor and his staff/congregation, between a teacher and a student, etc, etc.

    in church some people know a few scriptures and they think that qualifies them to lead people. no, only God qualifies to lead. what happens all to much is the person that thinks they know what direction to go, and where to lead, only end up dividing. a true shepherd gathers the flock not divides. division is for wolves.

    i see the examples being used are a little extreme, but usually deception is much more subtle than “rape” or “molestation”.

  31. Justin says:

    David,

    I just want to point out that I have watched most of the videos in that series and am currently reading the book.

    Your statement “The submission that John Bevere is talking about is no matter what, we are to take it, abuse etc. He is totally wrong.” is not true. John says that we are to always submit (have respect for, not slander) to authorities BUT when they try to make us do something that is against the Word of God then we are NOT to obey. Using the 3 Hebrews (I can’t spell, so sorry) that would not bow to Neb’s (again can’t spell) idol, they still spoke with respect to him but didn’t obey. There is a big difference in that and the statement you made.

    Respectfully,
    Justin

  32. David says:

    Hello Kimberly: I do not have to prove anything, you missed the whole point here about what I stated in regards to Lee’s question about authority and abuse and submission.

    I will copy my answer again for you!

    David Says:

    April 13th, 2007 at 8:09 am
    Dear Lee: The submission that John Bevere is talking about is no matter what, we are to take it, abuse etc. He is totally wrong. Bieng Christians we will get persecuted for our beliefs, and the finished work of The Cross proves that, yet John Bevere believes in total submission no matter what. When a person is raped, molested, beaton etc this is of the enemy and needs to be rebuked and dealt with. We are Christians and we are not punching bags and blow up dolls to beat and abuse from someone in authority. Look at the abuse in the catholic church, molestation etc, and these people, mainly priests get away with this garbage because people are afraid of them, as they abuse thier authority in The Lord’s name. If those same priests who abuse where abusing in public or where bieng abused by others they would want it stopped.

    The Lord expects people in authority to do it within the confines of scripture, where does John Bevere find in scripture for us to submit to wicketness and evil as a Godly principal. Jesus commands us how we are to treat others Matthew 22:37-39. Where does someone find Jesus saying this means to submit to evil, rape, molestation, etc. He never said it!!
    If anyone who has any authority abuses these principals from The Lord, he or she or they are acting in a sinful and evil way. Titus 2:11-15 verse 15 tells us to rebuke with all authority, and this includes anyone in authority pastor, deacons, parents, spouses, siblings, police officer’s, government officials etc. Government officials ofetn abuse thier authority, yet if they try and inforce evil on us they can be fired and voted out.
    They are not God, and such they have no authority if they are acting in an evil way.

    The best thing to always do is pray and ask The Holy Spirit to help you discern things from scripture. These people in authority we need to put on the foot of the person in authority and ask them can we rape you, or molest you, or abuse you, they would be foolish and unwise to say yes. They would not allow this kind of conduct especially if you asked them if they would abuse thier authority in the public eye where others can see and hold them accountable for thier actions.

    In Psalms 1 and Proverbs 1 the Lord tells us to stay away from evil and wicket people. People who abuse and then use a statement we must submit to authority because they are God’s people over someone or a group are taking God’s Word totally out of contexted.

    Lee I hope this helps, please e-mail me if you would like:

    davidandsherri@pei.sympatico.ca

    In Christ Dave

    Lee Says:

    April 13th, 2007 at 6:53 am
    Our pastor has the leaders or want-to-be leaders involved in the John Bevere Under the Cover series now. We began last night. I am always made to feel a struggle in my gut when I hear about submission. I know I am to be submitted to God through His Son. The book says in quoting the bible that ALL authority is appointed by God. Good and Evil. Church, government and family. It says that we should be as Jesus when He was accused He didn’t defend himself allowing God to defend Him.

    So one of my first thoughts was if a child is born to a father that molest him/her is he to be submitted to that authority of the father? A woman should be submitted to her husband so is she outside the cover of protection if she leaves her husband because he beats her even to the point of death? Is America in error of God’s teaching when we go to a country that is under a leader (all authority is appointed by God) and take that leader out of where God has put him?

    When I stand before God my pastor won’t be there to take any of the fall. Just how far do you submit. The teaching of this book is that if you say I will be submitted as long as I agree with what you say or do then that isn’t not submission and you are being birthed into Ismauel.

    Any comments?

    kimberly Says:

    April 13th, 2007 at 8:59 am
    David…. can you show proof to your accusation of john bevere. can you provide a link to HIS OWN material where he states concerning abuse… and i quote you… “no matter what, we are to take it, abuse etc.”

    your words are pretty strong concerning him. please provide something to substantiate you comments…. i would appreciate it.

    the authority issue applies anywhere. there is authority everywhere. most people do not like authority. there is authority in the church as well, and because people do not want to submit to it, we have confusion.

    there are people that start churches because they want things their own way. those people, though saved, have no business leading people in a church setting.

    of course our ultimate authority in God’s word. even our governments, law enforcement officials do not deserve submission if they usurp their authority over God’s.

    Its really common sense. it works in the home between a husband and wife. between parents and children, between a pastor and his staff/congregation, between a teacher and a student, etc, etc.

    in church some people know a few scriptures and they think that qualifies them to lead people. no, only God qualifies to lead. what happens all to much is the person that thinks they know what direction to go, and where to lead, only end up dividing. a true shepherd gathers the flock not divides. division is for wolves.

    i see the examples being used are a little extreme, but usually deception is much more subtle than “rape” or “molestation”.

    Kim: Sin is sin, lets not try and make these sins sound nicer, people daily get hurt with these types of sins by people in authority and the pain cuts deep, until someone goes through it or knows someone who goes through it and sees and feels the pain thier pain, then they can not understand. By the way rape, not deception, is mentioned in the bible NIV Zeck 14:2.

  33. David says:

    Dear Brothers and Sisters in the Lord: I have stated something about John Bevere that I have come under attack over.

    (April 13th, 2007 at 8:09 am
    Dear Lee: The submission that John Bevere is talking about is no matter what, we are to take it, abuse etc. He is totally wrong) I was answering in regards to a question from Lee and I meant to say:

    That if The submission John Bevere is talking about is no matter what, we are to take it, abuse etc. He is totally wrong

    as well yet John Bevere believes in total submission no matter what,

    I meant if John Bevere believes in total submission no matter what.

    I forgot to put in the word if in both statements. I have read different commentaries about John Bevere’s works and this was the latest. I apologize if I offended anyone here.

    I also was not stating John Bevere is asking us to accept abuse, molestation, rape, etc. the part of that response in my response was not referring to John Bevere. I should have answered my response in a different paragraph, and I apologize if anyone misunderstood what I wrote, I especially apologize to John Bevere.

    In Christ

    Dave

    David Says:

    April 13th, 2007 at 8:09 am
    Dear Lee: The submission that John Bevere is talking about is no matter what, we are to take it, abuse etc. He is totally wrong. Bieng Christians we will get persecuted for our beliefs, and the finished work of The Cross proves that, yet John Bevere believes in total submission no matter what. When a person is raped, molested, beaton etc this is of the enemy and needs to be rebuked and dealt with. We are Christians and we are not punching bags and blow up dolls to beat and abuse from someone in authority. Look at the abuse in the catholic church, molestation etc, and these people, mainly priests get away with this garbage because people are afraid of them, as they abuse thier authority in The Lord’s name. If those same priests who abuse where abusing in public or where bieng abused by others they would want it stopped.

    The Lord expects people in authority to do it within the confines of scripture, where does John Bevere find in scripture for us to submit to wicketness and evil as a Godly principal. Jesus commands us how we are to treat others Matthew 22:37-39. Where does someone find Jesus saying this means to submit to evil, rape, molestation, etc. He never said it!!
    If anyone who has any authority abuses these principals from The Lord, he or she or they are acting in a sinful and evil way. Titus 2:11-15 verse 15 tells us to rebuke with all authority, and this includes anyone in authority pastor, deacons, parents, spouses, siblings, police officer’s, government officials etc. Government officials ofetn abuse thier authority, yet if they try and inforce evil on us they can be fired and voted out.
    They are not God, and such they have no authority if they are acting in an evil way.

    The best thing to always do is pray and ask The Holy Spirit to help you discern things from scripture. These people in authority we need to put on the foot of the person in authority and ask them can we rape you, or molest you, or abuse you, they would be foolish and unwise to say yes. They would not allow this kind of conduct especially if you asked them if they would abuse thier authority in the public eye where others can see and hold them accountable for thier actions.

    In Psalms 1 and Proverbs 1 the Lord tells us to stay away from evil and wicket people. People who abuse and then use a statement we must submit to authority because they are God’s people over someone or a group are taking God’s Word totally out of contexted.

    Lee I hope this helps, please e-mail me if you would like:

    davidandsherri@pei.sympatico.ca

    In Christ Dave

  34. Justin says:

    Hi Dave,

    Please do not think I was attacking you, that is not my intention I just wanted to point out that misquoted his book. I do appreciate your wisdom and zeal from God’s Word.

  35. Rob Willmann says:

    Holly,

    Are you going to finish moderating my last post and let it stand for what it is, the truth, or are you going to supress it?

    Rob

  36. Rob Willmann says:

    # Rob Willmann Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    April 14th, 2007 at 6:54 pm

    prophecyclub.intellicontact.com/fastrack

    See that link, Holly?

    That link is to the newsletters that are published by the Prophecy Club, the very group your dad is using to get the message out.

    Here;s another link:
    prophecyclub.intellicontact.com

    That’s to ALL their newsletters.

    The first link up top should seriously concern you, if you read the posts by stan.

    Stan is the same man who predicted Jesus would return Sept. 12, 1997.

    Holly, if your blog is about the ‘Spirit of Error’ and you dedicate yourself to exposing the “little leaven” that leavens the whole lump, then why hasn’t one word been spoken against the Prophecy Club?

    Why?

    I am deeply concerned for your father, and I pray for him, but he must be warned. You are in a prime position to tell him that the people he is associating with to get his message out are not following the true Gospel once delivered to the saints.

    This is my 3rd post about this group in this very thread.

    Doesn’t your father realize who he is aligning with?

    Rob

  37. kimberly says:

    david… you stated….

    “The submission that John Bevere is talking about is no matter what, we are to take it, abuse etc.”

    i asked you for proof… and then you said….

    I do not have to prove anything,

    it is a sad day when we can accuse brothers and sisters without proof.

  38. David says:

    Dear Kim: Please read my response from April 14th, 2007. I will copy you in.

    kimberly Says:

    April 16th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
    david… you stated….

    “The submission that John Bevere is talking about is no matter what, we are to take it, abuse etc.”

    i asked you for proof… and then you said….

    I do not have to prove anything,

    it is a sad day when we can accuse brothers and sisters without proof.

    My previous response:David Says:

    April 14th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
    Dear Brothers and Sisters in the Lord: I have stated something about John Bevere that I have come under attack over.

    (April 13th, 2007 at 8:09 am
    Dear Lee: The submission that John Bevere is talking about is no matter what, we are to take it, abuse etc. He is totally wrong) I was answering in regards to a question from Lee and I meant to say:

    That if The submission John Bevere is talking about is no matter what, we are to take it, abuse etc. He is totally wrong

    as well yet John Bevere believes in total submission no matter what,

    I meant if John Bevere believes in total submission no matter what.

    I forgot to put in the word if in both statements. I have read different commentaries about John Bevere’s works and this was the latest. I apologize if I offended anyone here.

    I also was not stating John Bevere is asking us to accept abuse, molestation, rape, etc. the part of that response in my response was not referring to John Bevere. I should have answered my response in a different paragraph, and I apologize if anyone misunderstood what I wrote, I especially apologize to John Bevere.

    In Christ

    Dave

    David Says:

    April 13th, 2007 at 8:09 am
    Dear Lee: The submission that John Bevere is talking about is no matter what, we are to take it, abuse etc. He is totally wrong. Bieng Christians we will get persecuted for our beliefs, and the finished work of The Cross proves that, yet John Bevere believes in total submission no matter what. When a person is raped, molested, beaton etc this is of the enemy and needs to be rebuked and dealt with. We are Christians and we are not punching bags and blow up dolls to beat and abuse from someone in authority. Look at the abuse in the catholic church, molestation etc, and these people, mainly priests get away with this garbage because people are afraid of them, as they abuse thier authority in The Lord’s name. If those same priests who abuse where abusing in public or where bieng abused by others they would want it stopped.

    The Lord expects people in authority to do it within the confines of scripture, where does John Bevere find in scripture for us to submit to wicketness and evil as a Godly principal. Jesus commands us how we are to treat others Matthew 22:37-39. Where does someone find Jesus saying this means to submit to evil, rape, molestation, etc. He never said it!!
    If anyone who has any authority abuses these principals from The Lord, he or she or they are acting in a sinful and evil way. Titus 2:11-15 verse 15 tells us to rebuke with all authority, and this includes anyone in authority pastor, deacons, parents, spouses, siblings, police officer’s, government officials etc. Government officials ofetn abuse thier authority, yet if they try and inforce evil on us they can be fired and voted out.
    They are not God, and such they have no authority if they are acting in an evil way.

    The best thing to always do is pray and ask The Holy Spirit to help you discern things from scripture. These people in authority we need to put on the foot of the person in authority and ask them can we rape you, or molest you, or abuse you, they would be foolish and unwise to say yes. They would not allow this kind of conduct especially if you asked them if they would abuse thier authority in the public eye where others can see and hold them accountable for thier actions.

    In Psalms 1 and Proverbs 1 the Lord tells us to stay away from evil and wicket people. People who abuse and then use a statement we must submit to authority because they are God’s people over someone or a group are taking God’s Word totally out of contexted.

    Lee I hope this helps, please e-mail me if you would like:

    davidandsherri@pei.sympatico.ca

    In Christ Dave

  39. David says:

    David Says:

    April 16th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
    Hello Everyone especially all my Brothers and Sisters in The Lord Jesus Christ: I will be brief. I have given allot of thought and prayer to what we all comment on good, bad or in between. I have decided that after prayer I am and so are most of us reacting to so many things on this blog. We are all in our minds and hearts to one degree or another right.

    The point I am trying to make, would it not be wiser for all of us to stop trying to get points across about people and instead concentrate how we could encourage one another in The Word. I know that there are many false teachers and false works, yet do you not think it would be wiser to follow Jesus example and pray for people who we feel are in error of scripture Matthew 5:43-48. If they are wrong, The Lord will, as always, deal with them and thier works, He will deny them Matthew 7:21-23 and Romans 12:19-20. If we go even further we see His example on the Cross
    Luke 23:34.

    I can speak from personal experience here as I am as wrong as anyone else, and as Jesus also reminds us in Matthew 5:14-16 we are His light, the light of the world, and we are to shine for Him so as to glorify The Father in heaven.

    I pray that we can turn Holly’s wonderful blog into an encouraging spirit filled site for one another. It would be so wonderful if others would read this blog and write comments like Trust in the Lord, I recieved Christ today, I was water baptised today, etc.

    Thank you all and God Bless

    Your Brother in The Lord

    Dave

    davidandsherri@pei.symapatico.ca

  40. kimberly says:

    rob willman is on to something… check out this info on stan johnson…

    http://spm1313.blogspot.com/search/label/Stan%20Johnson

  41. Rob Willmann says:

    Kimberly,

    It doesn’t matter if I am on to something.

    Holly has ignored every single post I have made on this issue.

    It seems that the “sacred cow” of her dad’s ministry is something that cannot be questioned, even though we are urged to question each others’ beliefs and doctrines in order to remain pure.

    Acts 17:11

    Rob

  42. mark nowak says:

    dear holly, im thankful for your father, and the work hes doing to alert belivers to the things that are happening, and will, wax worse, and worse, in these last days. im greatful for everything you are doing as well. however, after my last post, i went over the letters that others were posting, and checked the prophecy clubs web site. i feel in fairness to rob willimann, and the rest of us, that you must reply to our question, of your fathers dealings with them? silence wont cause us to just go away! on the other hand, since you and your father are two different souls, under the same Lord, we all must maintain some love, and kindness toward holly, and not continue with some long drawn out inquisition, as if we are all walking perfectly in this day of strong delusion! in Yashua mark

  43. Thomas says:

    very interesting

  44. Andri says:

    when are Christians going to love one another. it is strange for me. why just people pray that we will truly become the disciple of Jesus. could somebody help me?

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