Is Jesus a False Prophet?

A few days ago, I received a comment on my blog that took the wind out of my sails. I never thought I’d hear someone who, presumably, claims to be a Christian, say what this person said. In seeking to defend “prophet” Kim Clement, this person made an argument that I found alarming.

First, some background. On Oct. 9, I posted about Kim Clement, a leading “prophet” in the apostolic-prophetic movement. I gave examples of Clement’s blatantly false prophecies and his attempts to cover them up. I also pointed out some of the unbiblical teachings in those prophecies, like his prophecy that aborted babies are going to be reborn to other women (this, of course, would require reincarnation).

When I wrote about Clement, I thought he would be a good example of an obviously false prophet that everyone could agree with. I was wrong.

In the comments, one person defended Clement and other modern-day “prophets” who give false prophecies, saying that it’s not their fault. Why? Because even all of Jesus’ prophecies aren’t fulfilled. (Yes, you read that correctly. According to this person, even Jesus gives false prophecies.)

The commenter went on to say: “If all of God’s words do not come to pass, I think NO ONE will have a record of accuracy as you demand.”

The Scripture the person used to support his or her argument is Mark 4:3-20 — Jesus’ parable of the sower and the different types of soil. The commenter interpreted the seed that was sown as prophecies. Prophecies that are sown in bad soil will fail, even if they are God’s prophecies, according to this person. So, God can say that He would like for something to happen, but it is up to the person who receives the prophecy to respond in the right way to make sure it happens.

Where this person came up with this interpretation of Mark 4, I don’t know. Typically, Christians have understood this passage as explaining why some people respond to the gospel and others don’t.

The context of the Mark passage shows that it has nothing to do with modern prophetic words. The Gospel of Mark seeks to show that Jesus is the Messiah and Son of God, and this passage fits into that larger context — showing why some people accept that message and others don’t.

Contrary to the commenter’s claim, we find, throughout the Bible, that all of God’s words come to pass. They never fail. That separates Him from false gods. See Isaiah 46:10, for example:

“Only I can tell you the future before it even happens. Everything I plan will come to pass, for I do whatever I wish.”

Also, in Numbers we find the false prophet Balaam addressing this very issue (which shows that even wicked, false prophets are sometimes used by God). Balaam tells Balak, the king of Moab, that God’s words have full integrity — God can’t promise something and then not deliver. What’s more, not even Balaam’s disobedience to God can change God’s words.

God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? I have received a command to bless; he has blessed, and I cannot change it.” Numbers 23:19-20

When God says something will happen, then it will happen. Period. It won’t fail because people do. That’s because God is all powerful, and He can see the beginning and the end (He knows all future variables, even human failings). In contrast, the Bible says that false prophets give prophecies that don’t come to pass. See Deuteronomy 18:20-22

It discourages me to see someone who wants to defend Clement’s reputation so much that he or she is willing to disparage God’s reputation (including His power and omniscience) to do so. Unfortunately, this is a growing trend in the apostolic-prophetic movement, as I will seek to show in future posts.

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34 Responses to Is Jesus a False Prophet?

  1. Jody says:

    “Unfortunately, this is a growing trend in the apostolic-prophetic movement”

    Whats unfortunate is….the growing trend in the apostolic-prophetic movement is built upon a well established age old teaching in christianity that we cant know the exact truth so everyone has a right to their own opinion about what is written.:-(

    And yet we were warned of this very same false teaching long ago in Jeremiah’s writings to us.
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    Jer 23:17-18
    They say still unto them that despise me…..

    “The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace”

    And they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart…

    “No evil shall come upon you.
    For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word?
    Who hath marked his word, and heard it?”
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    Not only are we warned of the exact teaching….. God gives His judgement against those that would teach such a faithlessness in His ability to lead and guide us in the way that we should go.

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    Jer 23:19-20
    Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.

    The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
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    And in these latter days we do understand it perfectly….it is exactly what they have been teaching…..and its contrary to everything that the scriptures teach about the Holy Spirit and the promise of our ability to know that God said what He meant and meant what He said.

    Here are just 2 examples of the many that are given us about this subject…they are very clear to those of faith with ears to hear and eyes to see.
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    1Jo 2:26-28
    These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

    But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you.

    But as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

    And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

    Jam 1:5-8
    If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

    But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering.
    For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

    For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

    A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
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    In faith we can hang our whole search for understanding of truth on those 2 alone.

    These people arent innocently misquoting some bible version…..they are directly in defiance of God….misquoting Him….and as Jeremiah points out just as clearly…..they are stealing Gods word from not only themselves but and even worse…their fellow man.

    In this they are breaking the greatest of commands to us.
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    Mat 22:36-40
    Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

    Jesus said unto him…

    Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
    This is the first and great commandment.

    And the second is like unto it….

    Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
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    They are breaking the 2 commandments that the whole of the law and the prophets are hung on.

    They are perverting the words of the living God…the words of the Lord of hosts….our God…and replacing them with their own interpretations and opinions.

    They are without excuse.

  2. EscMatrix says:

    First, just so everyone knows, I did not say the parable of the sower was simply about prophetic words as is suggested. I said the parable is about ANY AND ALL of God’s Words, no matter what you call them… so yes, Prophetic words must also fit the pattern of Jesus’ teachings of such.

    It is fine for you to say you disagree, but it matters not if you agree with me. The parable of the sower is found in my bible and your’s, unless of course you have rewritten it.

    Again, you want scriptural evidence of this? Jonah was a prophet and he prophesied, preached, declared (whatever verb you wish to use) “On the first day, Jonah started into the city. He proclaimed: “Forty more days and Nineveh will be overturned.” I know this is a difficult thing to accept considering the years most spend learning the opinions of great preachers rather than the full counsel of God’s word. However, I do not condemn anyone… I simply hope that when the Bible speaks, we will put our preconceived ideas aside to hear.

    How is this for another example? Hezekiah did not have to repent of anything… he actually reminded the Lord of his own faithfulness.

    1 In those days Hezekiah became ill and was at the point of death. The prophet Isaiah son of Amoz went to him and said, “This is what the LORD says: Put your house in order, because you are going to die; you will not recover.”

    2 Hezekiah turned his face to the wall and prayed to the LORD, 3 “Remember, O LORD, how I have walked before you faithfully and with wholehearted devotion and have done what is good in your eyes.” And Hezekiah wept bitterly.

    4 Then the word of the LORD came to Isaiah: 5 “Go and tell Hezekiah, ‘This is what the LORD, the God of your father David, says: I have heard your prayer and seen your tears; I will add fifteen years to your life. 6 And I will deliver you and this city from the hand of the king of Assyria. I will defend this city.

    Did anyone get that? Isaiah said “you are going to die, you will not recover!” Did he recover??? YES! Did that word come to pass? NO! GOD GAVE HIM 15 MORE YEARS IN THE NEXT PROPHECY from the same prophet we quote about the birth of Christ! If someone does that today some call them False Prophets, even if there is clear fruit and supernatural evidence of God working in them.

    The standard today is 100% Fulfillment according to some, and yet we already see that Jonah and Isaiah do not even measure up! Most people would say Isaiah was arrogant for reminding God of his good deeds and his faithfulness to God. Hello? How many examples do you feel is fair before accepting it as a principle found in the Word of God? Accuracy is more than just whether or not a word comes to pass… it is the degree to which you can clearly communicate God’s word, despite how someone responds. I’d say Isaiah and Jonah were 100% accurate in their words that did NOT come to pass.

    EscMatrix

  3. Jody says:

    Jonah was a prophet to Israel…
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    2Ki 14:25 He restored the coast of Israel from the entering of Hamath unto the sea of the plain, according to the word of the LORD God of Israel, which he spake by the hand of his servant Jonah, the son of Amittai, the prophet, which was of Gathhepher.
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    Ninevah was a capital of Assyria

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    2Ki 19:36 So Sennacherib, king of Assyria, went back to his place at Nineveh.
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    The peoples of the northen kingdom Israel were harrassed and eventually taken away by the assyrians for their trespass against God and rejection of His command that they turn from their wicked ways and repent….just as had been prophesied to them…. by Jonah…just one of the messengers God sent to them.

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    Eze 23:9 Wherefore I delivered her into the hand of her lovers, into the hand of the Assyrians, upon whom she doted.

    2Ki 15:29 In the days of Pekah king of Israel came Tiglath-pileser king of Assyria, and took Ijon, and Abel-beth-maacah, and Janoah, and Kedesh, and Hazor, and Gilead, and Galilee, all the land of Naphtali; and he carried them captive to Assyria.

    2Ki 17:12 For they served idols, whereof the LORD had said unto them, Ye shall not do this thing.
    2Ki 17:13 Yet the LORD testified against Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, and by all the seers, saying,

    ~Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep my commandments and my statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the prophets. ~

    2Ki 17:14 Notwithstanding they would not hear, but hardened their necks, like to the neck of their fathers, that did not believe in the LORD their God.
    2Ki 17:15 And they rejected his statutes, and his covenant that he made with their fathers, and his testimonies which he testified against them; and they followed vanity, and became vain, and went after the heathen that were round about them, concerning whom the LORD had charged them, that they should not do like them.
    2Ki 17:16 And they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made them molten images, even two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served Baal.

    2Ki 17:17 And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.
    2Ki 17:18 Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of his sight: there was none left but the tribe of Judah only.

    2Ki 17:20 And the LORD rejected all the seed of Israel, and afflicted them, and delivered them into the hand of spoilers, until he had cast them out of his sight.

    2Ki 17:22 For the children of Israel walked in all the sins of Jeroboam which he did; they departed not from them;
    2Ki 17:23 Until the LORD removed Israel out of his sight, as he had said by all his servants the prophets.
    So was Israel carried away out of their own land to Assyria unto this day.
    2Ki 17:24
    And the king of Assyria brought men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Ava, and from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel: and they possessed Samaria, and dwelt in the cities thereof.
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    This is why Jonah ran from God….he wasnt bigoted towards any ol heathen…as witnessed by the mercy he had for his fellow gentile shipmates…

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    Jon 1:12 And he said unto them, Take me up, and cast me forth into the sea; so shall the sea be calm unto you: for I know that for my sake this great tempest is upon you.
    Jon 1:13 Nevertheless the men rowed hard to bring it to the land; but they could not: for the sea wrought, and was tempestuous against them.
    Jon 1:14 Wherefore they cried unto the LORD, and said, We beseech thee, O LORD, we beseech thee, let us not perish for this man’s life, and lay not upon us innocent blood: for thou, O LORD, hast done as it pleased thee.
    Jon 1:15 So they took up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging.
    Jon 1:16 Then the men feared the LORD exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice unto the LORD, and made vows.
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    Jonah was willing to die for these heathen in order that they be spared….he had mercy for them …not desiring that they die for his sin.

    Jonahs consuming hatred was directed toward the heathen assyrians specifically.
    This is what drove him to rebel against God.

    Jonah ran cause he knew that those heathen ninevahites would do for God what his own people refused to do.
    Repent and turn from their wicked ways.

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    Jon 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day’s journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

    Jon 3:5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

    Jon 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

    Jon 4:1 But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.

    Jon 4:2
    And he prayed unto the LORD, and said,

    I pray thee, O LORD,

    ~~ was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country?~~

    Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish:

    for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.
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    Jonah knew that at his warning…the ninevites…unlike his fellow Israelites…would turn and repent of their wicked ways and that for this God would spare them.

    Just as He would have spared Israel if they had done the same.

    Thats why Jonah didnt want to go….he resented the fact that these heathens would have more fear and respect for God than his own people.

    And thats the lesson to be learned in the example of the gourd….Jonah had forgotten how to be merciful and loving towards his enemy.

    Jonah had forgotten that our Father desires that no one die in their sins but that they turn to Him and live.

    Not to mention he was directing his anger and resentment towards the wrong people. It should have been directed towards those who knew better…namely his fellow Israelites…who had knowingly brought God’s judgement upon themselves.

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    Jon 4:10 Then said the LORD, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night:
    Jon 4:11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?
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    Thus in comparing Jonah to a false prophet …you have missed the mark my friend.

    And you make the same mistake in regards to Hezekiah……and his reaction to Gods words given him thru Isaiah

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    2 Hezekiah turned his face to the wall and prayed to the LORD, 3

    ~~~~“Remember, O LORD, how I have walked before you faithfully and with wholehearted devotion and have done what is good in your eyes.” ~~~~

    And Hezekiah wept bitterly.

    4 Then the word of the LORD came to Isaiah: 5
    “Go and tell Hezekiah,
    ‘This is what the LORD, the God of your father David, says:

    ~~I have heard your prayer and seen your tears~~

    I will add fifteen years to your life. 6
    And I will deliver you and this city from the hand of the king of Assyria.
    I will defend this city.~~~

    ~~~~~~~~~

    If that isnt repentance on Hezekiah’s part….I guess I dont know what is.

    He was weeping bitterly about something. A man who was righteous before the Lord would look forward to and embrace his death…as Paul did…not weep bitterly at the prospect as Hezekiah did.

    Hezekiah was not innocent before God….he started out on the right path

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    2Ki 18:5 He trusted in the LORD God of Israel; so that after him was none like him among all the kings of Judah, nor any that were before him.
    2Ki 18:6 For he clave to the LORD, and departed not from following him, but kept his commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses.
    2Ki 18:7 And the LORD was with him; and he prospered whithersoever he went forth: and he rebelled against the king of Assyria, and served him not.
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    But somewhere along the way he lost faith….

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    2Ki 18:13 Now in the fourteenth year of king Hezekiah did Sennacherib king of Assyria come up against all the fenced cities of Judah, and took them.
    2Ki 18:14 And Hezekiah king of Judah sent to the king of Assyria to Lachish, saying, I have offended; return from me: that which thou puttest on me will I bear. And the king of Assyria appointed unto Hezekiah king of Judah three hundred talents of silver and thirty talents of gold.
    2Ki 18:15 And Hezekiah gave him all the silver that was found in the house of the LORD, and in the treasures of the king’s house.
    2Ki 18:16 At that time did Hezekiah cut off the gold from the doors of the temple of the LORD, and from the pillars which Hezekiah king of Judah had overlaid, and gave it to the king of Assyria.
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    He had turned to the power of his own hand instead of trusting in God.
    In doing this …not only had he sinned against God….but he had set a bad example for the people by which they would sin too.
    And it was for this that he was weeping bitterly.

    He did the same thing Jonah did….

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    Jon 2:7 When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.

    They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.

    Jon 2:9 But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.
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  4. Dear Holly: 2 Cor 11:14 in preticular please refer to 2 Cor 11:5-15. Paul addresses this problem again in 1 Timothy 4:1-11 and 2 Timothy 3 to 4:5 and Peter as well addresses this issue 2 Peter 2 & 3 plus John in in 1st John he addresses this. The problem is this not what these people do and say as Hebrews 10:31 addresses what will happen when these people when they fall into the hands of The Living God. Jesus himself refers to these people again and how he looks at them Matthew 7:21-23.

    We as real born again believers John 3:3/7 are to follow the example of ezekiel 3 and 33. We are watchman for Our Lord and Savior, we need to fulfill the greatest commission ever matthew 28:19-20. These people who call themselves prophetic are no different than The Mormons, Catholics and JW’s. They speak of their father’s native tounge John 8:44.

    The devil is so masterful at deception and he uses these people to trip us up, so we will be so busy watching them we often times never do our part in spreading The Great News of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

    Please ask you bloggers to pray, witness and read everyday The Word Of God and most importantly let The Lord deal with these false teachers who will one day face The Lord Hebrews 9:27 and Acts 17:31 and Rev 20:11-15.

    In Christ David Blakely

    Jesus Is Lord Rev 19:16

  5. EscMatrix says:

    Wow, so you now say I am of the devil??? You want to debate the prophetic? Good. You want to look at in the Scriptures and share perspectives? Good. You want to get cut-throat over it? Leave me out. I opened the scriptures to you, to reveal what God has taught me regarding the prophetic in its pages, and now I am called a false brother? I confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, the Son of God, has come in the flesh, and has washed me in His blood… but now I am being called a son of Satan? That my friend is dangerous.

    You know, its one thing to fight for truth, but its another thing all together to condemn a person as a false brother when you have no basis for it. Even if I am the least in the Kingdom, Christ died for me and I am His servant.

    Jesus said: 6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

    I think we should be able to disagree and communicate without getting vicious about it. You copied half of the Bible to share scriptures that do not address the facts I have brought to light in God’s Word, and make the blog so long that most people lose track of the point that I have made. That’s fine… but if you are going to take time to debate… great… if you wish to search the Scriptures as I, along with the Bereans who were commended. first stop condemning those you feel threaten your position, then take a breath, refocus and let the fruit of the Spirit be demonstrated in your conversation. Christ said to judge, by fruit… which is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Not just whether or not we agree with each other on everything.

    If we can proceed like mature Christians and demonstrate the Spirit of Christ in our debate, then I would be happy to share more with you and the viewing audience about the subject from the Bible and let the people judge for themselves. May God alone be the judge of our hearts and may the Scriptures be the foundation for all of our doctrines. 100% Perfection may be the goal, but there is none perfect but Him. I am acceptable before God ONLY because of Him, and any other standard you demand I comply to for my salvation is an insult to the cross on which He was crucified.

    EscMatrix

  6. Dear EscMatrix: You are upset at comments, unfortunetly the prophetic movement makes one major mistake as do Catholics, Mormons and JW’s.They speak as if they are getting thier own personal message from The Lord. Subjects like The Annointing and getting it. The Bible says this comes from The Lord – 1 John 2:20 and 27. Yet you so called prophetic ministers constantly tell people you can give it to us. We who are born again John 3:3/7 have it already, and the good news is we never lose it. Why because The Annointed one of God is Jesus Christ, in fact He is God John 1.

    I, nor any Christian would want to debate with any person who defends thier position on thier own merrits, and not the merrits of Scripture.

    Please before you or any other so called prophet of The Lord starts spuing out things to come, you need to study His Word and see if it lines up with Scripture. The Lord warned us about false teachers and false prophets in the last days, Mathew 24:11. We are in the last days, in fact if you would stop and look around the world you would see it for yourself. The Holy Spirit is speaking to all believers watch and be ready Matthew 24:42.

    One other thing when ever you so called prophetic ministers are challanged you attack those of us who use The Lord’s Word to discern things, and in actuallity you show your true natures, John 8:44. A day is coming though in which we, The real believers in Our Lord and Savior, will be raptured from this earth, then if you are still here you can explain to those left behind what happened to us, it should be easy for the prophetic teachers to explain away. I pray you repent of your pride and humble yourself before The Lord, 1 Peter 5:5, before it is to late for you and your movement.

    In Christ – Jesus is Lord Rev 19:16

    Dave

  7. Jody says:

    “100% Perfection may be the goal, but there is none perfect but Him.”

    Your not making a distinction between those who speak the words of God…and those who dont…but instead speak presumptuously…saying thus saith the Lord when He has not spoken to them.

    Those who speak the words of God arent left to their own devices.

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    2Pe 1:20
    Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
    2Pe 1:21
    For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

    Rev 22:18
    For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
    Rev 22:19
    And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

    Pro 30:5
    Every word of God is tried: He is a shield unto them that take refuge in him.
    Pro 30:6
    Add thou not unto his words, Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
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    The admonition below is just as applicable today as it was then….the false prophet that decieves the world inorder that they worship the image of the beast will be doing the exact same thing.

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    Deu 13:1
    If ever you have among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams and he gives you a sign or a wonder,
    Deu 13:2
    And the sign or the wonder takes place, and he says to you, Let us go after other gods, which are strange to you, and give them worship;
    Deu 13:3
    Then give no attention to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams: ~~~~for the Lord your God is testing you, to see if all the love of your heart and soul is given to him. ~~~~~
    Deu 13:4
    ~~~~But keep on in the ways of the Lord your God, fearing him and keeping his orders and hearing his voice, worshipping him and being true to him. ~~~~
    Deu 13:5
    And that prophet or that dreamer of dreams is to be put to death; ~~~~~for his words were said with the purpose of turning you away from the Lord your God,~~~~~~ who took you out of the land of Egypt and made you free from the prison-house; ~~~~~and of forcing you out of the way in which the Lord your God has given you orders to go. ~~~~~~
    So you are to put away the evil from among you.
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    The only difference today is…vengance is the Lords…

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    Mat 13:28
    And he said unto them, An enemy hath done this. And the servants say unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
    Mat 13:29
    But he saith, Nay; lest haply while ye gather up the tares, ye root up the wheat with them.
    Mat 13:30
    Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather up first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my barn.
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    We are only to warn those who would do such things and especially those who would listen to them.

    We will be held accountable for not warning people…not warning them of false prophet/teacher will cover our hands in the blood of those who go after them and die in their sin.

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    Act 20:26
    Wherefore I testify unto you this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.
    Act 20:27
    For I shrank not from declaring unto you the whole counsel of God.
    Act 20:28
    Take heed unto yourselves, and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit hath made you bishops, to feed the church of the Lord which he purchased with his own blood.
    Act 20:29
    I know that after my departing grievous wolves shall enter in among you, not sparing the flock;
    Act 20:30
    and from among your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them.
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    The OT says the very same thing about being guilty of the blood of men and it being required of those who knew to do right and didnt.

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    Eze 3:17
    Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the children of Israel: so give ear to the word of my mouth, and give them word from me of their danger.
    Eze 3:18
    When I say to the evil-doer, Death will certainly be your fate; and you give him no word of it and say nothing to make clear to the evil-doer the danger of his evil way, so that he may be safe; that same evil man will come to death in his evil-doing; but I will make you responsible for his blood.
    Eze 3:19
    But if you give the evil-doer word of his danger, and he is not turned from his sin or from his evil way, death will overtake him in his evil-doing; but your life will be safe.

    Eze 3:20
    Again, when an upright man, turning away from his righteousness, does evil, and I put a cause of falling in his way, death will overtake him: because you have given him no word of his danger, death will overtake him in his evil-doing, and there will be no memory of the upright acts which he has done; but I will make you responsible for his blood.
    Eze 3:21
    But if you say to the upright man that he is not to do evil, he will certainly keep his life because he took note of your word; and your life will be safe.
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    If you say…well Im made righteous by the blood of Jesus…well that is addressed too.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Eze 33:1 And the word of the Lord came to me, saying,
    Eze 33:2
    Son of man, give a word to the children of your people, and say to them, When I make the sword come on a land, if the people of the land take a man from among their number and make him their watchman:
    Eze 33:3
    If, when he sees the sword coming on the land, by sounding the horn he gives the people news of their danger;
    Eze 33:4
    Then anyone who, hearing the sound of the horn, does not take note of it, will himself be responsible for his death, if the sword comes and takes him away.
    Eze 33:5
    On hearing the sound of the horn, he did not take note; his blood will be on him; for if he had taken note his life would have been safe.
    Eze 33:6
    But if the watchman sees the sword coming, and does not give a note on the horn, and the people have no word of the danger, and the sword comes and takes any person from among them; he will be taken away in his sin, but I will make the watchman responsible for his blood.
    Eze 33:7
    So you, son of man, I have made you a watchman for the children of Israel; and you are to give ear to the word of my mouth and give them news from me of their danger.
    Eze 33:8
    When I say to the evil-doer, Death will certainly overtake you; and you say nothing to make clear to the evil-doer the danger of his way; death will overtake that evil man in his evil-doing, but I will make you responsible for his blood.
    Eze 33:9
    But if you make clear to the evil-doer the danger of his way for the purpose of turning him from it, and he is not turned from his way, death will overtake him in his evil-doing, but your life will be safe.
    Eze 33:10
    And you, son of man, say to the children of Israel, You say, Our wrongdoing and our sins are on us and we are wasting away in them; how then may we have life?
    Eze 33:11
    Say to them, By my life, says the Lord, I have no pleasure in the death of the evil-doer; it is more pleasing to me if he is turned from his way and has life: be turned, be turned from your evil ways; why are you looking for death, O children of Israel?
    Eze 33:12
    And you, son of man, say to the children of your people, ~~~~~~~The righteousness of the upright man will not make him safe in the day when he does wrong;~~~~~~~ and the evil-doing of the evil man will not be the cause of his fall in the day when he is turned from his evil-doing; and the upright man will not have life because of his righteousness in the day when he does evil.
    Eze 33:13
    When I say to the upright that life will certainly be his;~~~~~ if he puts his faith in his righteousness and does evil, not one of his upright acts will be kept in memory;~~~~~ but in the evil he has done, death will overtake him.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    As we have been warned….judgement starts at the house of God….if even the unbeliever is without excuse….we are the more so….we have been warned.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    2Pe 2:1
    But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
    2Pe 2:2
    And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
    2Pe 2:3
    And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~

    Another example given to us as a warning against such things…

    ~~~~~~~~~~
    Deu 18:18
    I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
    Deu 18:19
    ~~~~~And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.~~~~~
    Deu 18:20
    But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
    Deu 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
    Deu 18:22
    When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
    ~~~~~~~~~~

    If you still say to yourself …well thats the OT and doesnt apply to us….consider….the above was speaking of Jesus…and Paul brings it to rememberance.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~
    Act 3:22
    For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
    Act 3:23
    And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
    Act 3:24
    Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
    Act 3:25
    Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
    Act 3:26
    Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The OT confirms the NT and the NT confirms the OT…..there are no contradictions between them.

    Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

  8. EscMatrix says:

    Do you really believe Jesus Christ Is the Son of God? If so, you should put a little more confidence in His teachings…

    38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

    39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

    40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

    EscMatrix

  9. Jody says:

    I have every confidence in His teachings…again…the man couldnt have cast out demons in Christs name if he wasnt one of the faithful.

    As for casting out in Christs name…what about these people?

    Mat 7:21
    Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    Mat 7:22
    Many will say to me in that day,
    ~~~~ Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?~~~~

    Mat 7:23
    And then will I profess unto them,
    ~~~~I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. ~~~~~

    Christ calls them workers of iniquity….workers of lawlessness… which brings this warning to mind.

    ~~~~~~~
    Mat 24:11
    And many false prophets shall arise, and shall lead many astray.
    Mat 24:12
    And because iniquity shall be multiplied, the love of the many shall wax cold.
    Mat 24:13
    But he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.
    ~~~~~~~

    False prophets arise and lead many astray….and cause this iniquity…lawlessness abounds…the love of many shall wax cold.

    False prophets are workers of iniquity….workers of lawlessness.

    ~~~~
    2Ti 2:5
    And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned,
    ~~~~except he strive lawfully.~~~~~
    ~~~~~~~

  10. Jody says:

    One more for good measure….notice who’s words we are to listen to in order that our true minds stay awake and alert.

    Peter points out that he is reminding them of the same things that he wrote about in his first letter.

    2Pe 3:1
    My loved ones, this is now my second letter to you, and in this as in the first, I am attempting to keep your true minds awake;
    2Pe 3:2
    So that you may keep in mind the

    * words of the holy prophets in the past,*

    * and the law of the Lord and Saviour *

    * which was given to you by his Apostles. *

    Even the Bereans….given us as an example to follow….tested everything Paul said by the word of God…searching the scriptures daily to see if what he said was so…and in this they were more noble than the rest.

  11. EscMatrix says:

    You missed the whole point of the scripture… this scripture says NO MAN can do a miracle in His name and speak evil of Christ. Furthermore, just because you may not understand it, like the disciples who were Christ who didn’t, it nonetheless is true– “he that is not against us is on our part”. This really isn’t as complicated as you are making it. So let’s quit fighting among ourselves and focus on doing the work of God and reach the Lost.

    39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

    40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

  12. EscMatrix says:

    Sorry about the grammar… I hit submit before fixing my errors.

    A.T.

  13. Nate says:

    People who believe prophets are allowed to make mistakes are ripe for the picking. False prophets will influence them easily. To say that a fulfillment of a prophecy is based on the listener’s belief is one of the most evil and foolish things I’ve ever heard. Such people deserve whatever they get in terms of hell and damnation. If a prophet makes a single mistake, he is to be dumped, completely forgotten, for he/she is useless to all.

  14. EscMatrix says:

    Nate,

    No, I think what you mean to say is I deserve to be damned to hell because my perspective, although found in scripture, differs from yours. I can’t imagine heaven being filled with such self-righteous people. I guess I must be deceived… I put my faith in the blood of Christ, not in my ability to explain doctrine.

    EscMatrix

  15. Nate says:

    I too sir place my trust in the blood of Christ, and I believe the two prophets of Revelation will never be wrong in their predictions, no matter what other people believe. Sure there are instances where God gives people conditions whereupon what he predicts will not happen to them if they repent, but, God does not always give men such options. I also know how to be sarcastic, but, I’d rather get right to the point. To teach that prophets can make mistakes is a damnable heresy. If one were to follow your advice one can also say that Sun Myung Moon and Benny Hinn and Pat Robertson can still be believed even though they made a few mistakes. 100% accuracy is God’s Law, anyone who fails to meet that standard is a fraud and has lied in God’s name. To teach that 100% accuracy is not to be followed is to teach a hellish lie in God’s name. God is not a liar. God does not need to lie to further his kingdom. A kingdom built on lies is not God’s kingdom. A man who tells lies is not from God.

  16. Nate says:

    I would not consider all such men false prophets who make mistakes, they are in fact not prophets at all and should cease from vomiting their religious daydreams and unwholesome fantasies on the Christian public. If they continue on in their false fantasies, then they ARE INDEED false prophets. One mistake and you should leave the act of telling prophecies altogether. If you continue making mistakes (and you surely will) then you are a liar, and we all know what happens to liars … “All liars shall have their part in the Lake of Fire that burns with brimstone.” Now, that’s a prophecy you can surely count on! One mistake and God is surely not on your side. One mistake and God has decided he cannot use you. Do not be deceived, God is not a man that he should lie. There will be few if no options whatsoever to change the events that are to come. There will be no peace on this planet as long as Satan is still here. The world will seek World Peace, but be sure it is all in vain. “And they will say, ‘Peace and Safety!’ and then sudden destruction shall come upon them like a woman with birth pains and none shall escape.” Do not join with any movement that seeks to unite all peoples under one religion. Don’t follow any so-called prophets who make mistakes. Will you be found lying when Christ returns? The choice is yours.

  17. EscMatrix says:

    Nate,

    Since you answer me so strongly, I also will address your words without beating around the bush. Your arguments are strong in emotion but not in biblical foundations. They do give the vocabulary of Biblical ideaology, but do not agree with the words found in our Bibles. Your opinion may be valuable to your own personal converts, but is not enough to convince us that God feels the way you do about these things. Why don’t you quit giving us your opinions and stop adding your perspective to the scriptures? You pervert the word of God by adding your words to His and it is dangerous. Revelation 22:18 says “I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.” Sorry but I think most would agree your ideas seem quite self righteous and because they are not God’s words but merely your conglomeration of interpreted truths, they are not a standard to which anyone must comply to be saved or to be able to minister.

    Let the Bible speak for itself. Please show us all in 1 or 2 simple verses clearly where it says anything to the effect of your statement below…

    “100% accuracy is God’s Law, anyone who fails to meet that standard is a fraud and has lied in God’s name.”

    MY CHALLENGE:
    – Show us any verse that clearly says 100% accurate prophecy means 100% fulfilled prophecy.
    – Show us any verse that clearly says God’s requirment of His prophets is 100% fulfillment (meaning it must have come to pass) or else they are frauds and have lied.
    – Show us any verse where it clearly says if a prophets words do not come to pass, he is simply a false prophet.
    -Show us any scripture where it clearly says God’s Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, or Teachers are 100% perfect.
    – Last, please give us some examples of the perfect prophet from the Bible, as well as modern-day so that we can see the living “proof” of your statements. Someone must be able to live up to it?

    Please don’t give us 10 scriptures and make us read between the lines to find your points. If it is as certain as you claim, show it to us in black and white. Please consider my challenge.

    I eagerly await your reply.

    EscMatrix

  18. Nate says:

    Deut. 18:22 and the life of Jesus is all you need as proof. Everything he said, from his death to his resurrection, to the destruction of the temple in 70 A.D., to the coming falling away of the church, the coming of the anti-christ and the Mark of the Beast. Fulfillment is proof of being a true prophet.

    A man himself does not have to be perfect, but, the prophetic words of God always are. I can see that your heart is hard and will not continue to argue with you what I know to be true. God help you on the day you decide to believe someone who has made mistakes.

    “Woe to the man who trusts in man.”

    You have no idea what a prophet is, this is why you will be deceived and deceive others.

  19. EscMatrix says:

    I have no problem admitting there are problems with the modern-day prophetic movement and I have to agree with many of the statements found on this website regarding the excesses. However, the conclusions you have drawn and the standard of perfection created from your interpretation of scripture is false and only creates a greater gap between mankind and His creator. He knew we weren’t perfect and gave us a Bible filled with stories of many great leaders who failed, and God did not turn his back on them, but rather used them.

    Like I said, if you have all of the answers and its as clear as you claim, please see the challenge above and follow through.

    Respectfully,

    EscMatrix

  20. David says:

    Escmatrix: again you challange everything of The Lord’s Word, please stop your Heresy now!!!

  21. Jody says:

    Joh 17:17
    Sanctify them by Your truth; Your word is truth.
    Joh 17:18
    Just as You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
    Joh 17:19
    And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.

    We are sanctified by the truth….its manditory to our salvation.

    ~~~~~~~
    MY CHALLENGE:
    – Show us any verse that clearly says 100% accurate prophecy means 100% fulfilled prophecy.
    ~~~~~~~

    You’ve been given the verses already…..several times….so my challenge to you is….show us were it says that men who speak in the name of God declaring thus sayth the Lord…..

    doesnt have to deliver the words of God 100 % perfectly as He has spoken them.

    Even Jesus Himself never said anything other than what His Father told Him to…

    Joh 8:26
    I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true;
    and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
    Joh 8:27
    They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
    Joh 8:28
    Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he,

    and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me,
    I speak these things.

    Jesus spoke not….one presumtious word….and we are told to follow after His example.

    Joh 17:6
    I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You have given them to Me, and they have kept Your word.
    Joh 17:7
    Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You.
    Joh 17:8

    -Because I have given to them…. the words which You have given Me…. and they have received them…. and they knew truly that I came forth from You…. and they have believed that You sent Me.-

    Paul also followed this example…..speaking only the words of God …directling us back to the OT as well

    Act 26:22
    Therefore, having obtained help from God, until this day I stand, witnessing both to common people and great people, ~~~~~saying nothing~~~~~ except the things which both the prophets and Moses spoke of as being about to happen,
    Act 26:23
    that the Christ was to suffer, that as the first to rise from the dead, He was about to proclaim light to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles.”

    Another example is Jesus often said…..it is written…confirming what is written to us as warnings in the OT.

    This the NT apostles and OT prophets did as well….reminding people that it has already been said and written down for our admonishment. God is not the author of confusion and is very very consistent in this as He is in everything.

    Joh 6:45
    It is written in the prophets,
    “And they shall all be taught of God.”
    Every one that hath heard from the Father, and hath learned, cometh unto me.

    A mentioned above God is not the author of confusion…..but is in fact very consistent in His dealings with us…so if what you claim is true….it will be written….thats a promise.

    Rom 9:1
    I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience bearing witness with me in the Holy Spirit,

    Deu 18:18
    I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
    Deu 18:19
    And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
    Deu 18:20
    But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

    Deu 18:21
    And if thou say in thine heart,

    “How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?”

    Deu 18:22
    When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

    ~~~~~~
    Show us any verse that clearly says God’s requirment of His prophets is 100% fulfillment (meaning it must have come to pass) or else they are frauds and have lied.
    ~~~~~~~~

    Again you have been given scriptures to show that you are wrong…..the one listed above should be enough to settle the issue for you…..

    Even so…. false prophets can get it right sometimes…is that a good reason to follow after them?

    Deu 13:1
    If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
    Deu 13:2
    And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
    Deu 13:3
    Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
    Deu 13:4
    Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

    Deu 13:5
    And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because……he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God….which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage…..to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in.

    So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

    People who cant discern the true from the false….are in danger of being lead down the broad path.

    Jer 29:23
    Because they have committed villany in Israel, and have committed adultery with their neighbours’ wives…… and have spoken lying words in my name, which I have not commanded them…..

    even I know, and am a witness, saith the LORD.

    Notice who is witness against them….God Himself cause they cause His name to be profaned all the day long amongst the unbelievers.

    ~~~~~~~
    – Show us any verse where it clearly says if a prophets words do not come to pass, he is simply a false prophet.
    ~~~~~~~

    Deu 18:20
    But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name,
    which….. I have not commanded him to speak……or that shall speak in the name of other gods…… even that prophet shall die.

    Deu 18:22
    When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD…..if the thing follow not, nor come to pass…..that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

    I dont know…what more do you need?

    Those are very clear….and there are many more like them thru out the OT and NT.

    ~~~~~~
    -Show us any scripture where it clearly says God’s Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, or Teachers are 100% perfect.
    ~~~~~~

    Mat 5:48
    Be ye therefore perfect (complete), even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

    Phi 3:14
    I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
    Phi 3:15
    Let us therefore, as many as be perfect (complete), be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
    Phi 3:16
    Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

    The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

    The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.

    The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.

    More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

    Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward. (Ps. 19:7–11)

    I could go on …..

    ~~~~
    Last, please give us some examples of the perfect prophet from the Bible, as well as modern-day so that we can see the living “proof” of your statements.
    Someone must be able to live up to it?
    ~~~~

    Several from the bible alone…..and even then…I havent listed all

    Act 2:29
    Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
    Act 2:30
    Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
    Act 2:31
    He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
    Act 2:32
    This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

    Joh 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe.

    Act 3:20
    And that he may send the Christ who was marked out for you from the first, even Jesus:
    Act 3:21
    Who is to be kept in heaven till the time when all things are put right, of which God has given word by the mouth of his holy prophets, who have been from the earliest times.

    Act 3:22 For Moses indeed said to the fathers, “The Lord your God will raise up to you a Prophet from among your brothers, One like me; you shall hear Him according to all things,” whatever He may speak to you. See Deut. 18:15-16, 19
    Act 3:23 And it shall be that of every soul, whoever should not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.
    Act 3:24 And also all the prophets, from Samuel and those following after, as many as spoke, also before announced these days.

    Act 7:35
    This Moses, whom they denied, saying, Who appointed you a ruler and a judge, this one God has sent as ruler and redeemer by the hand of the Angel who appeared to him in the Bush.
    Act 7:36
    This one led them out, having worked wonders and miraculous signs in the land of Egypt and in the Red Sea, and forty years in the wilderness.
    Act 7:37
    This is the Moses who said to the sons of Israel,
    “The Lord your God will raise up a Prophet to you” “from your brothers, One like me.”
    You shall hear Him.
    Deut. 18:15

    1Pe 1:10
    Concerning which salvation the prophets sought and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
    1Pe 1:11
    searching what time or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did point unto, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glories that should follow them.
    1Pe 1:12
    To whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto you, did they minister these things, which now have been announced unto you through them that preached the gospel unto you by the Holy Spirit sent forth from heaven; which things angel desire to look into.
    1Pe 1:13
    Wherefore girding up the loins of your mind, be sober and set your hope perfectly on the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
    1Pe 1:14
    as children of obedience, not fashioning yourselves according to your former lusts in the time of your ignorance:
    1Pe 1:15
    but like as he who called you is holy, be ye yourselves also holy in all manner of living;
    1Pe 1:16
    because it is written, Ye shall be holy; for I am holy.

    2Pe 1:19
    And we have the word of prophecy made more sure; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day-star arise in your hearts:
    2Pe 1:20
    knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation.
    2Pe 1:21
    For no prophecy ever came by the will of man: but men spake from God, being moved by the Holy Spirit.

    Notice here whom Peter says to listen to……it applyied then….just as it does now.

    2Pe 3:1
    This is now, beloved, the second epistle that I write unto you; and in both of them I stir up your sincere mind by putting you in remembrance;
    2Pe 3:2
    that ye should remember the words which were spoken before by
    the holy prophets,
    and the commandments of the Lord and Saviour through your apostles:
    2Pe 3:3
    knowing this first, that in the last days mockers shall come with mockery, walking after their own lusts,

    ~~~~
    Please don’t give us 10 scriptures and make us read between the lines to find your points. If it is as certain as you claim, show it to us in black and white. Please consider my challenge.
    ~~~~~

    Isa 8:20
    To the law and to the testimony…..

    If they speak not according to this word…..it is because there is no light in them.

    Isa 8:21
    And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward.
    Isa 8:22
    And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness, dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness.

    What you keep proclaiming over and over in this blog and especially thru this challenge is that God cant work effectivly in those who are His own….and that the Holy Spirit cant get the job done in the area of proclaiming the truth.

    Yet….if He is a just God as He proclaims….and I know for a fact is…..then He couldnt rightfully hold us accountable for false teachings and leading people astray.

    That would make Him unjust…cause according to your way of thinking as witnessed thru your mutiple posts on this subject….niether He nor we have any control over what is proclaimed in His name since He cant make sure we get it right….which by the way is the purpose of the Holy Spirit.

    Mat 12:32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in that which is to come.

    Isa 63:10
    But they rebelled, and grieved his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and himself fought against them.
    Isa 63:11
    Then he remembered the days of old, Moses and his people, saying,
    Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherds of his flock?
    Where is he that put his holy Spirit in the midst of them?

    Jesus was their rock then just as He is ours now….those lead of God dont make mistakes where His word is concerned.

    Psa 51:10
    Create in me a clean heart, O God; And renew a right spirit within me.
    Psa 51:11
    Cast me not away from thy presence; And take not thy holy spirit from me.

  22. EscMatrix says:

    David,

    Your answer is LONGGGGGG and wordy. But my challenge was to find 1 or 2 that clearly support your statment. Let me clarify. I meant 1 or 2 verses, not 1 or 2 chapters. The burden of proof is on you because you have set a standard that you claimed is clear in the scriptures.

    You expect us to read through all of your favorite scriptures of judgment to find the answer you said was clear? Sorry, you have not met my challenge. Keep it simple for us. I am pasting the challenge again below.

    MY CHALLENGE:
    – Show us any verse that clearly says 100% accurate prophecy means 100% fulfilled prophecy.
    – Show us any verse that clearly says God’s requirment of His prophets is 100% fulfillment (meaning it must have come to pass) or else they are frauds and have lied.
    – Show us any verse where it clearly says if a prophets words do not come to pass, he is simply a false prophet.
    -Show us any scripture where it clearly says God’s Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, or Teachers are 100% perfect.
    – Last, please give us some examples of the perfect prophet from the Bible, as well as modern-day so that we can see the living “proof” of your statements. Someone must be able to live up to it?

    Please don’t give us 10 scriptures and make us read between the lines to find your points. If it is as certain as you claim, show it to us in black and white. Please consider my challenge.

    EscMatrix

  23. EscMatrix says:

    Maybe I should add, I completely AGREE with all of the Scriptures you posted… it is God’s word… but they simply are not what the challenge was about.

    Thanks,

    EscMatrix

  24. David says:

    Dear Escmatrix: Jody has given you scripture after Scripture and you argue and argue. There is no argument, Scripture is inspired by The Lord 2 Tim 3:16. If you are a brother in The Lord, why oh why do you argue. The Lord is right and you are not plain and simple. You are like L.Ray Smith, he has a website you should go to, he knows as much as you do, which …. well I will not go there.

    Jody is using the Lord’s words not Jody’s.

    Good work Jody

    In Christ

    Dave

  25. EscMatrix says:

    All I am asking for is that you type out 1 scripture that clearly says as you have stated “the words of a true prophet of God always come to pass 100% of the time”. ‘If they do not come to pass he is a false prophet”. Should I repost the scriptures I have found? I assure you they will be to the point… not about being judged and sent to the fires. 🙂

    David, I must say you are consistent to your opinions and very passionate about them but you are ignoring the Scriptures I have shared.

    EscMatrix

  26. Jody says:

    ~~~~~
    All I am asking for is that you type out 1 scripture that clearly says as you have stated “the words of a true prophet of God always come to pass 100% of the time”.
    ~~~~~~

    Here is the one statement that you asked for….Im listing it here again.

    Deu 18:21
    And if you say in your hearts,

    How are we to be certain that the word does not come from the Lord?

    Deu 18:22
    When a prophet makes a statement in the name of the Lord,

    if what he says does not take place and his words do not come true,

    then his word is not the word of the Lord:

    the words of the prophet were said in the pride of his heart,

    and you are to have no fear of him.

    Jesus said….do not be deceived.

    We cant keep that command if the true prophets of God arent always 100% right on.

    Pro 14:5
    A faithful witness will not lie; But a false witness uttereth lies.

    Pro 30:5
    Every word of God is tried: He is a shield unto them that take refuge in him.

    Pro 30:6
    Add thou not unto his words, Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

    Even so…believe as you please…as for anyone else reading this…here is some advice.

    Jam 1:5
    If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it shall be given to him.

    Jam 1:6
    But let him ask in faith, doubting nothing,

    for he that doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind.

    Jam 1:7
    For let not that man suppose that he shall receive anything from the Lord;
    he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

  27. Jody says:

    ~~~~~

    Should I repost the scriptures I have found?

    I assure you they will be to the point…

    ~~~~~

    Yes…I for one would like to see where it is written that a prophet who speaks for God…doesnt have to be 100% right.

  28. EscMatrix says:

    Hi Jody,

    So if I show you examples from the Bible of true prophets who’s words did not come to pass as they said, you will consider that to be proof that God’s prophet’s words may not always come to pass, and that he does is not suddenly considered a false prophet for it?

    EscMatrix

  29. EscMatrix says:

    Dear Jody,

    I agree with the scriptures you shared, but the problem is Deu 18:21-22 nor any of the others makes the point that you are trying to make. It does not say anything to the effect of “if his words do not come to pass then he is a false prophet”. It says to HAVE NO FEAR OF HIM. Some here on this forum seem to not be heeding those words. Is this not God’s word and His way to deal with it?

    EscMatrix

  30. Jody says:

    ~~~~~
    It does not say anything to the effect of “if his words do not come to pass then he is a false prophet”. It says to HAVE NO FEAR OF HIM.
    ~~~~~

    It is your prerogative to split hairs…but understand…you are twisting the verse to suit your own desires and deep down you know this.

    If the prophecy didnt comes to pass….then the prophet is a liar….common sense tells us that if he is a liar thus..he isnt speaking for God so Gods people are to have no fear of him. They are only to fear..thus heed… the warnings and prophecies of a true man of God.

    If the prophecy didnt come to pass….then the people were told not to have any fear of said prophet….the prophet was not of God and was at that time to be killed for trying to turn people away from God and His commands to them.

    But now…..now God will deal with them directly.

    Said prophet had proven himself a liar and had propesied the wicked desires of his own heart. He thru this is causeing Gods name to be profaned and because of this the way of truth is spoken of evily.
    His objective is to draw away a following for himself. This prophet decieves by having a form of Godliness but in reality denys the power there of.

    We then can turn the situation around….what about when the words of a false prophet do come to pass?

    Then we have to consider if the prophet is of God or not…setting the “fulfilled” prophecy aside and considering what they teach about God….if anything. We have to use the same standard that the Bereans used against Paul.

    This is a sticky situation for the unlearned and the unbeliever…who unlike the bereans have no firm knowledge of the written word.
    The prophecy does seem to come to pass……so they have to ponder the fact that someone may have come preaching another god or is teaching somehting that is in conflict with the commands of God.

    This will determine where their heart is….since they have no tangible way to discern the facts for themselves they will have turn to God in faith for the truth….or they will be easily swayed and begin to follow the false prophet.

    God very clearly says that this type of prophet came with the express purpose of leading the people astray…the fact that his prophecy came to pass means that he had some help…..thru trickery thus satan himself is leading and guiding the prophet.

    This type of prophet is spoken of in revelation….it will be this sort of prophet that gets everyone…execpt those who faithfully keep the word of God and the faith and testimony of Jesus…. to worship the beast.

    Those who know their God….will not fall for these false prophets in fact they will shine a light on them for all to see….the only ones in danger from these types are those who are ignorant of Gods word.

    Once those who are ignorant of Gods word have been informed so that they can make their own decision about the situation….if they continue to oppose themselves and go after the false ones….their blood will be upon their own heads and they will answer to God for it.

    These are false prophets that you are taking up for Matrix….they have a form of Godliness…but they deny the power there of. They deny that God can get His word across exactly as He meant it and that He can cause it to come to pass exactly as He has said. And you are helping them by taking up for them….God will render unto all who do such things the reward deserved for their works.

    Why would you take up for men such as these?

    They will not profit themselves or anyone else who follows after them.

    Eze 13:22
    Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad,
    whom I have not made sad;
    and strengthened the hands of the wicked,
    that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:

    Eze 13:23
    Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations:

    for I will deliver my people out of your hand:

    and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

    Act 20:26
    Wherefore I testify unto you this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.
    Act 20:27
    For I shrank not from declaring unto you the whole counsel of God.

  31. Jody says:

    ~~~~
    So if I show you examples from the Bible of true prophets who’s words did not come to pass as they said, you will consider that to be proof that God’s prophet’s words may not always come to pass, and that he does is not suddenly considered a false prophet for it?
    ~~~~~

    Yep and if you are taking it out of context…I will refute it.

  32. Laura says:

    escmatrix you said:
    # EscMatrix Says:
    November 24th, 2006 at 6:20 pm

    Hi Jody,

    So if I show you examples from the Bible of true prophets who’s words did not come to pass as they said, you will consider that to be proof that God’s prophet’s words may not always come to pass, and that he does is not suddenly considered a false prophet for it?

    EscMatrix

    ********************
    WOW!
    I really fear for you!
    your words show a severe lack of the fear of the Lord and for his word.

  33. EscMatrix says:

    Laura,

    Rather than giving remarks of how you fear for me and how ignorant you think I am, would you at least try to remove the personal criticisms and try to stay on trackt? Do you really think all of that is needed to show us what the Bible says about the subject?

    You have no reason to fear for me… Jesus Christ is my Lord and He alone can judge my heart and the rest of mankind.

    EscMatrix

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