Deafening Silence

Three days ago, I asked readers for a biblical defense of the apostolic-prophetic movement. My question was:

“Where, in the Bible, is there any concept of an end-times army of Christians — led by apostles (with great authority) and prophets (with new revelation) — that will subdue God’s enemies and establish His kingdom on earth?”

I haven’t received one response — despite the number of hits this blog receives — and despite the number of comments some of the other posts have received, including comments from supporters of this movement.

I find this silence telling. I believe it lends support to my original contention — that there isn’t a biblical basis for this movement.

However, since I haven’t received any biblical defenses, I will state the one I’ve most often heard from people in this movement. Many advocates will cite Amos 3:7: “Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.”

The idea is that all doctrines don’t have to be found in Scripture — many of them are continuing to be revealed through modern prophets. So, they use Amos 3:7 to argue that prophets will continue to receive new doctrinal revelation from God, such as the teachings of the apostolic-prophetic movement. New doctrinal revelation is sometimes called “present truths,” while the Bible is placed in a category of “past truths.”

Advocates claim that the revelation of this movement’s teachings has come from “prophets” around the world, including Bill Hamon, Rick Joyner and Chuck Pierce. The fact that so many of these “prophets” have allegedly received similar revelations about this movement simultaneously — and independently of one another — is seen as evidence that it is a “new move” of God in the end times.

Yet, this application of Amos 3:7 ignores its context. The book of Amos contains God’s announcement — through the prophet Amos — that He is going to destroy the northern kingdom of Israel because of the people’s unfaithfulness to Him. Read Amos 3 here. In Amos 3:7, God is saying that He won’t bring judgment on a people without first warning them (through His prophets). Given this context, it is quite a stretch to use this verse to support the teachings of the apostolic-prophetic movement and its “prophets.”

The idea that the church needs new doctrinal revelation from modern “prophets” contradicts the historic Christian belief that the canon of Scripture is closed — meaning that no new authoritative doctrines can be given.

This isn’t to deny that there is a New Testament gift of prophecy that Christians can have today. But Christians with such a gift cannot give new doctrinal revelation. Furthermore, the existence of modern “prophets” — in the sense of those who have the gift of prophecy — does not prove that the “prophets” of the apostolic-prophetic movement are genuine. Like all prophets in the Bible, their prophecies must be tested for their faithfulness to Scripture and for their accuracy (i.e., do their predictions come to pass?). I have already pointed out that “prophets” in this movement teach doctrines that have no biblical basis (including the movement’s key teachings). In future posts, I plan to discuss their repeated false prophecies and their many prophecies that cannot be shown to be true or false (because they are worded so vaguely that they can be interpreted to mean almost anything).

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7 Responses to Deafening Silence

  1. Evie Glasgow says:

    Just to let you know I have read your blog and appreciate your warning to Christians. The ‘falling away’ of the church has been escalating noticably for more than ten years now. There are many who are wilfully blind to the condition of the Church and there are others like yourself who are greatly concerned. I and many others have warned and warned till we sound like a ‘cracked record’ as we say in Australia. The warning message only seems to be an irriation to the unconcerned. I have to keep reminding myself that the ‘falling away’ from the truth is in itself a sign of the end times where peoples hearts will turn away from God.
    I am pleased that you are planning on exposing false prophecies and especially the ones that are worded so vaguely to deceive Christians.

  2. Mary says:

    I have a friend that began a few years ago to ask God every morning for a double portion of discernment. The church is so lacking in discernment. The Bible says we have the annointing that we need no man to teach us. I think for the most part, people have become lazy. They have a fast food mentality and they want to feel better about themselves and it opens them up to deception. And then there are many today that are “willingly ignorant”. They like to label anyone who exposes error as devisive.

    I recenlty sent in a letter to a Christian website whose subscribers are date setters in the rapture. The letter was nice but blunt (As I usually am) and stated that although we are close to Jesus’ return, a grave disservice is done when people write books naming the date of the rapture and then do not take responsibility for their error and hurting the faith of some. The letter was never posted on his site. This is just one example of the false prophets. They claim “we only see in part”, and when you mention that OT “prophets” were stoned as false prophets when the prophecies did not come to pass, they claim “we are not under the law.” Which is true. However, God will hold them into account. There are those who take God too casually.

    Mary

  3. Roy says:

    The reason you have not received any replies on your question is because they don’t have a biblical answer to your question. The silence is very telling indeed.
    If you read Luke 24:44 it is very clear where and when all the prophecies were fulfilled that were contained in the Old Testament. All that was written in Moses and the prophets and the psalms were all about Him and He fulfilled everything they said when He hung on the cross.

    There are no longer any prophecies to be fulfilled as Jesus fulfilled them all at the cross and redeemed all of mankind. The same is said in Romans 16:25 & 26 where it says that the revelation of the mystery was made manifest by the scriptures of the prophets and of course when you go back to Luke 24:44 it says He fulfilled all of what they said. To look for any movement that will usher in the Kingdon og God is a waste of time.
    The Kingdom of God was ushered in when Jesus rose from the dead. When He said “it is finished” He had totally fulfilled all prophecy and His Kingdom was now “set up” in His temple which is every human being.
    Are we to look for judgment in the future? Absolutely not as if you read John 12: 30 to 33, the context there is judgment and not men as the word men in verse 32 is not in the original language. So what He was actually saying was that He would draw all judgment unto Himself when He was lifted up on the cross. Verse 33 says He was talking about His death. He took the full brunt of all judgment that all the prophets were saying was coming. The cross served as the “intersection” of the judgment that was coming upon the earth and it fell upon our Lord and Saviour. He took my judgment and my sin of unbelief that we were all born with.
    Is God still an angry God? No, He took His anger out on His Son along with everything else that was being held against us. It is finished folks. To look for future judgment as prophesied by so called modern day prophets is simply not going to happen. I guess I sort of got off your question here a bit but I am sure you know why you did not get a response to your question from “the prophets”. It’s simply because they don’t have one. Those that are out there calling themselves modern day prophets should add the word false to it because that is what they are…false.

  4. Greg Herrin says:

    Hello. Holly

    I just clicked on your website so I don’t know what you have said before hand but saw your question:

    “Where, in the Bible, is there any concept of an end-times army of Christians — led by apostles (with great authority) and prophets (with new revelation) — that will subdue God’s enemies and establish His kingdom on earth?”

    My guess is that event that you speak of is based on the following verses:

    Jude 1:14-15 [14] Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, [15] to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”

    In Christ, Greg

  5. Sally says:

    Hbr 1:1-2 states that in the past, God spoke to mankind through PROPHETS, but now, in these last days, he HAS SPOKEN by Jesus Christ. This means that once the Canon was closed there was no more NEW revelation.

    “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;” Hbr 1:1-2

    In addition, Eph. 2:19-20 states that the FOUNDATION HAS BEEN LAID, which consists of the apostles and prophets. Once a foundation has been laid, it is buried. It does continue to be built upon.

    “Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone]; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.” Eph 2:19-22

  6. Sally says:

    There is an error in my previous post. It should say………

    “It (the foundation) DOES NOT continue to be built upon”…..rather than…..”It does continue to be built upon.”

    Sorry

  7. Roland says:

    Holly,

    As I stated in an earlier reply, I find the whole concept of dominionism to be a perversion of Scripture. Since I do not hold to this viewpoint I cannot defend it. I would suggest, however, that you may want to divide your argument into three parts.

    Part One would be dealing with the question of “are there current day apostles and prophets?” Ephesians 4:11-12 says. “It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up.”

    Part Two would bring into question the understanding how has Part One changed? I only see three options. 1. God’s word is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow…Ephesians 4:11-12 is still valid. 2. Something has changed and these verses are either no longer valid, or the scope and function of these gifts have changed. 3. The definitions of these words somehow mean something different than they have in the past. In other words, the original apostles (12) could do “this”, but subsequent apostles can only do “that”.

    Part Three would be to voice a biblical argument for why dominionism is false, and I think there is ample evidence to support the position that it is false.

    Just some suggestions for your blog…. If you are going to deal with the apostolic/prophetic movement you are going to have to deal with Ephesians 4:11-12. These three “parts” might make for some good blog topics.

    Thanks again for your willingness to serve the Body of Christ.

    Ro

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