Rick Joyner’s ‘Final Quest’
Rick Joyner — co-founder of MorningStar Publications and Ministries based in Fort Mill, S.C. — is one of the most well-known leaders in the apostolic-prophetic movement and is regarded by his followers as both a “prophet” and an “apostle.” The Final Quest is perhaps his most popular book. It contains a vision that, Joyner claims, God gave to him to equip the last-days church for its final battle against darkness. The Final Quest is followed by two sequels, titled The Call and The Torch and the Sword. Together, these books have sold over a million copies.
Many people, including dear friends of mine, reported feeling very edified by The Final Quest when they read it. They appreciated the book’s heavenly perspective on the spiritual battle Christians are fighting on earth. It reminded them of the eternal significance of how we spend our time here on earth and the glorious rewards that await us. It encouraged them to be humble by reminding them that many of the Christians who will be the greatest in heaven will have been regarded as the least on earth. It also stresses the importance of simple devotion to Jesus and of love for others.
Concerns About Joyner’s ‘Final Quest’
I just finished reading The Final Quest and also appreciated these emphases in the book. The book also contains teachings, however, that should concern Christians — teachings that directly contradict the Bible’s teachings. Some of them are especially troubling and, I fear, will hinder many people’s relationships with Christ.
When I spoke with my friends about these teachings, they were surprised and said they didn’t remember them being in the book. This may be the case with other Christians who’ve read The Final Quest, so I wanted to point out, specifically, some of these troubling teachings. I will deal with one of them in this post and continue to address more in future posts.
I will dedicate several posts to Joyner’s teachings because of his influence in the apostolic-prophetic movement and because these teachings are promoted by other leaders in the movement. I’m not trying to pick on Joyner, but believe serious errors in his teaching need to be noticed so Christians won’t be misled by them.
For those of you who’ve read The Final Quest, I encourage you to go back and read the pages I cite so you can see these teachings for yourselves (if you didn’t already notice them). Note: I’m using the 1996 edition published by MorningStar Publications, so the page numbers may vary in later editions.
Joyner’s Troubling Teaching No. 1: He claims the book’s vision is more accurate and important than revelation contained in the Bible.
On the back cover and in the book’s introduction (pages 7-14), Joyner says he received the vision from God in parts — over a period of one year. He goes on to explain that there are “many levels of prophetic revelation.”
Joyner’s ‘Levels of Prophetic Revelation’
The first level of revelation is, what Joyner calls, “prophetic impressions” — these can be very specific and accurate when those who receive them know how to interpret them correctly. However, these lower-level revelations also can be distorted by the recipients’ biases and incorrect understandings, according to Joyner.
The second level of revelation is a “special illumination to our minds” given by the Holy Spirit, according to Joyner. He says this level gives us “greater confidence” in the “importance” and “accuracy” of the revelation. However, this level can “still be influenced by our prejudices, doctrines, etc.,” according to Joyner (page 10). He believes this is the same level of revelation the apostles received when they wrote the New Testament letters. Joyner’s exact words are:
“I believe that this was probably experienced by the apostles as they wrote the New Testament epistles” (page 10).
The third level of revelation is “open visions,” which, according to Joyner, is more accurate than the second level (the level at which the apostles received their revelation recorded in scripture).
The fourth level is a “trance,” which Joyner defines as “like dreaming when you are awake.” This is the level at which Joyner received the vision recorded in his book, according to Joyner. He says:
“The visions contained in this book all began with a dream. Some of it came under a very intense sense of the presence of the Lord, but the overwhelming majority was received in some level of a trance” (page 11).
The crucial thing to notice is that Joyner is claiming that the vision he records in The Final Quest is more accurate and important than revelation contained in the Bible. This should alarm Protestant Christians who believe that the Bible is error-free and the final authority for Christian teachings (doctrines).
Joyner’s Inconsistencies
After listing the different levels of prophetic revelation, Joyner makes two important qualifications. Yet, unfortunately, he contradicts both those qualifications in his book.
His First Qualification
Joyner warns that modern prophetic revelations can’t give new teachings in addition to Scripture. He says:
“I must state emphatically that I do not believe that any kind of prophetic revelation is for he purpose of establishing doctrine. We have the Scriptures for that” (page 12).
He goes on the say that — rather than giving new doctrine — the purposes of prophetic revelation are: (1) to reveal the Lord’s present or future strategic will about certain things; and (2) to illuminate biblical doctrines we have not seen before.
If Joyner truly believes that modern prophetic revelations can’t teach new doctrines, then he should be commended for this. But, unfortunately, he contradicts this statement throughout his book, which gives many new doctrines that can’t be found in the Bible or that directly contradict doctrines taught in the Bible. I will look at these unbiblical doctrines in a future post.
His Second Qualification
Joyner warns that only the Bible is free from error, so he urges his readers to separate the “chaff” from the “wheat” in his written vision. He states:
“Only the Scriptures deserve to be considered infallible” (page 14).
Again, if Joyner truly believes that his vision is subject to error, then he should be commended for this. He should also be commended for teaching that the Bible alone is error-free. But he contradicts these statements by claiming that the level of prophetic revelation recorded in his book is one of the highest and most accurate levels — even higher and more accurate than New Testament scripture. So, Joyner seems to be talking out of both sides of his mouth.
Final Thoughts
Toward the end of The Final Quest, Joyner records a conversation he claims to have had with the apostle Paul during his vision. During this conversation, the apostle Paul equates Joyner’s written vision with Paul’s own New Testament scriptures (page 135).
Christians should be alarmed to see Joyner equate his own writing with scripture. Yet, he not only equates his writing with scripture; he actually elevates it above scripture by claiming that his revelation is from a higher level than the New Testament writings.
Given this troubling teaching, I was disturbed to discover that, in 2001, Thomas Nelson (a leading, evangelical Christian publishing house) published Joyner’s The Final Quest and its sequel, The Call, in a one-volume book titled The Vision. Either some editors at Thomas Nelson lack doctrinal discernment, or they were willing to set it aside to make some bucks. Either way, Thomas Nelson bears responsibility for promoting a book with such an unorthodox teaching (and other teachings I will discuss in the future).
April 10, 2007 at 4:45 am
“Again, if Joyner truly believes that his vision is subject to error, then he should be commended for this. He should also be commended for teaching that the Bible alone is error-free. But he contradicts these statements by claiming that the level of prophetic revelation recorded in his book is one of the highest and most accurate levels — even higher and more accurate than New Testament scripture. So, Joyner seems to be talking out of both sides of his mouth.”
Holly, I was thinking the same thing while reading the paragraph before this. His levels of revelation don’t make much sense, especially when he says the level at which the Bible was written can be “influenced” but yet the Bible is error-free. Not making much sense to me.
Thanks for pointing this out.
April 10, 2007 at 5:33 am
“So, Joyner seems to be talking out of both sides of his mouth.”
Thats happening alot these days…..
April 10, 2007 at 6:43 am
I have not read the book but I will never add to the bible or take away from it. If the christian has ever lived in a time of needed discerment it is now. I will leave you with this thought count how many times when you read a book or discuss religion the words “I BELIEVE” is spoken and remember it does not matter what you believe to be right for we cannot lean upon our own understanding or do what “WE” think is right in my own eyes. Trust and have faith in the holy spirit to lead you for unlike man he cannot be mistaken
April 10, 2007 at 6:54 am
Holly,
Because Joyner claims his revelation is from God and because you and many others (including myself) found error in the book that contradicts the Bible, then why in the world would Christians even read the thing? I read it because I am a pastor and some people in my congregation read it and gave it to me to “check out.” It contradicts Scripture so how can it be of God period? Why in the world we mess around and try to be polite about these things is far and beyond me. God does not give dreams and visions and prophetic messages that contradict His word. The Lord God Almighty does not change. Whether the message was given to Isaiah hundreds of years ago or to a modern seer, He will not contradict Himself in order to “fit the times.” Joyner’s book and subsequent book should be disregarded by Christians everywhere. When this happens then the so called prophets of today will quit publishing these fictional revelations and the church can get back to reading and studying the word of God and living it out in our daily lives affecting the world around us. Has the Bible become so boring, so uninspiring that we need fictional encouragement to be zealous for Jesus and His coming kingdom? Is not the fear of God enough to move us away from sin and toward sowing for eternal rewards? Has the Holy Spirit lost His ability to lead us and guide us into all truth and inspire and anoint us toward the upward call that is in Christ Jesus? Silly questions? Maybe, but silly Christians are reading, listening to and following a lot of silly stuff these days that are not biblical sound doctrine. So maybe silly questions aren’t all that silly. It is time we repent, quit supporting all these men and women who call themselves prophets and get back to our first love.
April 10, 2007 at 7:37 am
Why is it so difficult for believers to exercise discernment and when the
dog “won’t hunt”, to leave the questionable reading material behind or at best, read it and sharpen your own discernment skills when you read it
alongside the Word of God as your light and lamp.
Joyner’s nonsense is fictitious pulp in order to merchandise the saints of
God. If you read Joyner’s poppycock, read it as a fantasy porridge with
no redeeming value and give Joyner no esteem or credits as being a
Biblical prophet. None. Personally, I would prefer to read the real thing…
The Word of God than waste time reading Joyner gibberish.
April 10, 2007 at 7:38 am
holly,
i agree with john. i started to read the book because a co-worker insisted i should read it. but i too saw the errors in the book and stopped reading it and tossed it in the trash.
April 10, 2007 at 8:23 am
“It is time we repent, quit supporting all these men and women who call themselves prophets and get back to our first love.”
Amen
But this will only continue to grow worse and worse as long as those who should know better continue to lend an air of legitimacy to the false teachers by appearing with them in their dog and pony shows and never openly rebuking them.
With this…they become partakers of their evil deeds.
April 10, 2007 at 8:45 am
“Either some editors at Thomas Nelson lack doctrinal discernment, or they were willing to set it aside to make some bucks.
Either way, Thomas Nelson bears responsibility for promoting a book with such an unorthodox teaching”
Exactly…we are told that if we so much as wish those who promote another Gospel God speed….we become partakers of their evil deeds.
Why?
Cause by acknowledging them in even such a minor way makes it seem as if we are in agreement with them.
Makes it look as if… at least to those we have influence with… we condone their teachings even tho they contradict the word of God. Thus next thing ya know….the unlearned/babes …due to not being adequately warned away from such false teachings….are frequenting the dog and pony shows put on by the wolves in sheeps clothing and being lead astray.
Very dangerous indeed….the bible is clear about what happens to false teachers/prophets and those who heed their teachings.
Without repentance….they will both, false teachers and their followers… go blindly off the cliff together.
And if we have become partakers of their evil deeds by promoting them or giving them our blessing in some form or fashion…can we honstly expect any less of a judgement for ourselves?
Ezekial was told that if he was to warn the wicked…and /or the righteous man who had turned from his righteousness and was sinning…and he didnt….thus they died in their sins….he would have their blood on his hands.
Eze 3:18
When I say unto the wicked,
Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning,
nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life;
the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity;
but his blood will I require at thy hand.
Eze 3:19
Yet if thou warn the wicked,
and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity;
but thou hast delivered thy soul.
Eze 3:20
Again, when a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die:
because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteous deeds which he hath done shall not be remembered;
but his blood will I require at thy hand.
Eze 3:21
Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin,
he shall surely live, because he took warning;
and thou hast delivered thy soul.
Paul confirmed this in Acts 20
Act 20:26
Wherefore I testify unto you this day,
that I am pure from the blood of all men.
Act 20:27
For I shrank not from declaring unto you the whole counsel of God.
Act 20:28
Take heed unto yourselves, and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit hath made you bishops, to feed the church of the Lord which he purchased with his own blood.
Act 20:29
I know that after my departing grievous wolves shall enter in among you, not sparing the flock;
Act 20:30
and from among your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them.
April 10, 2007 at 8:50 am
Jas 5:19
My brethren, if any among you err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20
let him know, that he who converteth a sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall cover a multitude of sins.
April 10, 2007 at 3:24 pm
Holly,
I wanted to ask why do a critical commentary on this book “The Final Quest”? This book has been out for over ten years now and while I agree with what you said, there have been many critiques of his book out for quite some time now that go deeper into Rick Joyner’s deceptive words, just wondering the “why?”
Brian
April 10, 2007 at 6:55 pm
Is it really so bad to read someone’s work and to be edified by the parts that are in line with the Bible and that draw you closer to God, and then to simply disagree with those parts that are questionable? Kind of a “chew the meat, spit out the bones” approach.
By the way, I liked TFQ, but found the subsequent book to be so poorly written that I didn’t get a quarter of the way through. It was really weak.
April 11, 2007 at 8:31 am
“Kind of a “chew the meat, spit out the bones” approach.”
NOPE…
Gal 5:7
Ye were running well;
who hindered you that ye should not obey the truth?
Gal 5:8
This persuasion came not of him that calleth you.
Gal 5:9
A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Gal 5:10
I have confidence to you-ward in the Lord,
that ye will be none otherwise minded:
but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
1Co 15:33
Be not deceived: Evil companionships corrupt good morals.
1Co 15:34
Awake to soberness righteously, and sin not;
for some have no knowledge of God: I speak this to move you to shame.
April 13, 2007 at 9:08 am
jody also says…
“It is time we repent, quit supporting all these men and women who call themselves prophets and get back to our first love.”
Amen
But this will only continue to grow worse and worse as long as those who should know better continue to lend an air of legitimacy to the false teachers by appearing with them in their dog and pony shows and never openly rebuking them.
With this…they become partakers of their evil deeds.
if both jody and holly agree with that statement… then herb peters would call out stan johnson and the prophecy club for their FALSE prophecies. He is helping them obtain legitimacy again, along with new followers.
teachers APPEARING WITH THEM IN THEIR DOG AND PONY SHOWS AND NEVER OPENLY REBUKING THEM….
GREAT QUOTE JODY!!!!
now lets apply it to EVERYONE and be sincere about this!
April 13, 2007 at 2:22 pm
I read this book about 7 years ago and was one of those who liked it. I now realize it is part of a larger deception.
Thanks for not bowing to the god of popularity as you continue to boldly stand for the truth!
April 15, 2007 at 2:36 pm
I appreciate everything that has been said in light of or in opposition to Rick Joyner. He is not of the Light rather he is following the god of this world. As one commented that we need to be more on guard as time marches on. Jesus Himself said that there would be false prophets rise up and deceive “many people” as a sign to be aware of and watch out for (Mt 24:11). Now if Jesus warned His sheep of this then why would any want to or desire to read or “learn” from any other source than Him? As one commentor said here, is the Bible become so boring that we don’t read it anymore? Please brothers and sisters in Christ stay away from these people. If they are popular stop and think about it because that would mean they don’t have a doctrinely sound message. Jesus spoke TRUTH and he was killed for it and so were His disciples. If the message anyone speaks is not from the Word then flush it, especially in light of what you’re saying about this man. It’s the devil’s job to decieve and he will wrap it up very nicely to make it look like and even sound like Christian to the point where he snares you. By the mear fact that these books sell many many many copies should make you stear away from them. More than likely if you’re following a crowd of people reading popular or “best selling” books like this then you are NOT following Jesus! Think about it! Beware pilgrims!
April 16, 2007 at 2:22 pm
Hello Everyone especially all my Brothers and Sisters in The Lord Jesus Christ: I will be brief. I have given allot of thought and prayer to what we all comment on good, bad or in between. I have decided that after prayer I am and so are most of us reacting to so many things on this blog. We are all in our minds and hearts to one degree or another right.
The point I am trying to make, would it not be wiser for all of us to stop trying to get points across about people and instead concentrate how we could encourage one another in The Word. I know that there are many false teachers and false works, yet do you not think it would be wiser to follow Jesus example and pray for people who we feel are in error of scripture Matthew 5:43-48. If they are wrong, The Lord will, as always, deal with them and thier works, He will deny them Matthew 7:21-23 and Romans 12:19-20. If we go even further we see His example on the Cross
Luke 23:34.
I can speak from personal experience here as I am as wrong as anyone else, and as Jesus also reminds us in Matthew 5:14-16 we are His light, the light of the world, and we are to shine for Him so as to glorify The Father in heaven.
I pray that we can turn Holly’s wonderful blog into an encouraging spirit filled site for one another. It would be so wonderful if others would read this blog and write comments like Trust in the Lord, I recieved Christ today, I was water baptised today, etc.
Thank you all and God Bless
Your Brother in The Lord
Dave
davidandsherri@pei.symapatico.ca
April 17, 2007 at 7:13 am
David/Dave…
please go back and look at the TITLE of this blog, then report back.
April 22, 2007 at 1:54 pm
Thanks for this.
I was starting to read the book and it did impact me, but not in a bad way.
I even told my friends to read it with me…
How more foolish can I be?
If it’s not the bible how can we believe it?
Thanks for this, I thank God that he used this to stop me from reading more.
June 22, 2007 at 2:37 am
I read the book, I find nothing wrong in it. as you said He said in his book that the bible is free of error this means that the vision his receive can’t be more correct than what is written in the bible. he just try to explain something very important about Levels of Prophetic Revelation. we must try to understand the lesson in what he said because we make many mistakes because we don’t the Levels of Prophetic Revelation. be more positive in your mind.
thank
July 11, 2007 at 3:42 pm
Thanks, Holly, for this critique. This book belongs in the Sci-Fi/Fantasy section of a secular bookstore it is so bad. Joyner claims (page 10-11) it came from the 4th level of revelation — Trances — two levels HIGHER than (as he arbitrarily presumes) the writers of the Bible wrote under! The implication is if his work needs to be discerned by the reader (which he encourages them to do, p. 13-14), then how much more does the bible, which was written two levels lower? His duplicity on this point is revealed when he says that this lower-level work of revelation called the Bible is infallible. As long as he stands unrepentantly by this work and his related doctrines, he has no business being an author or ministry head or calling himself a prophet; nor does any true believer have any business reading his material devotionally.
The Final Quest starts out cleverly characterizing his critics as demon-ridden, vomit eating believers at the bottom of the holy mountain. Rick, of course, is positioned on the mountain high above them (get it?) bravely fending off their arrows of criticism. In the opening chapter then, Rick Joyner insulates himself from criticism by portraying anyone who questions him or calls him what he is, “a false prophet,’ as being under the influence of the devil. What poppycock.
In this book, he has angels bowing to him (page 68). They are relieved of their naivete by Rick (page 74). The angelic leader can finally speak to Rick with, get this, “uncharacteristic confidence” (page 74). Rick asks a question of an angel named Wisdom, who is in reality “Jesus,” and it seems to jolt Him. Apparently, Rick Joyner can jolt Jesus with a question (page 45). He solves puzzles in heaven (ala an adventure in a video game). He gets uninhibited access to the tree of life. Whatta guy Rick is! He is more powerful than a speeding locomotive . . .
On page 88, his “dead acquaintance” tells him that “We (the dead saints Joyner sees up there) have our resurrected bodies now, and you do not.” This means that the resurrection is past. We’ve missed the rapture. Remember what Paul called that doctrine? Gangrene! (2 Tim. 2:16-18).
He is told by “the apostle Paul” that he (Rick) must recover the ministry and the message which was lost in the church very quickly after Paul’s time. Even the Lord “nodded in affirmation.” (page 135-136). So, according to TFQ, Joyner has a mandate from heaven to restore what the church so long ago lost. What self-promotion. What chutzpa!
I was asked to read this book by our church librarian who had mixed feelings about it. She felt inspired by many of its statements, but she felt sad because it made her feel left out. Because she felt this way, she says she wanted more of God. Her simple faith suddenly seemed paltry and shameful to her. Certainly, God needed to lift her into higher realms than the “plain old gospel” had done for her. That’s what Gnostics can do to you if you let them. They make you feel left out. They compel you go in a vain search to acquire these lofty experiences so you can feel as spiritual and special as these people are.
Gnostics (aka Mystics) make you believe you don’t already have all spiritual blessings in the heavenlies bestowed upon you as a believer, as the bible affirms about you. They want to sell you things you already own. You must follow them and their secret ways. That is what the Final Quest trilogy is about. Secrets. Secret doors to open, puzzles to solve, stones to acquire, swords, mantles and glittering armor, angelic obeisance, talking eagles. All of them designed to make the average believer come after them for the inside information they possess, all the while holding them in awe.
They (Rick Joyner and the rest of these pretenders) have gone far “beyond what is written,” something forbidden in 1 Cor. 4:6. This is what makes them Gnostics.
This book is still making the rounds. The next two in this fantasy trilogy are even worse. Anyone who defends this book needs to get to a real church that knows the gospel that the Apostles preached. Start with 1 Corinthians 15:1-8 and work your way slowly through the other major doctrines of the apostles, keeping the core message intact. The message is narrow. This is why the way is narrow. It is about a Raised Man who died for our sins. All true doctrine centers on Him. Yet, Rick Joyner managed to make his book all about himself.
February 28, 2008 at 8:59 am
yea ive just started rereading it and ive been wondering about all these contradictions. the one thing i wanna point out is that Rick like you and i is very human and is subject to error and useing the wrong words. this book may have twisted ideas at times but if discern which are lies and which is truth then the story itself is very uplifting. i would recommend this book to other christions but only those that you can talk with and explain whats parts are lies.
March 19, 2008 at 12:19 pm
I am a simple person without extensive knowledge about the Bible, but I have
always searched and desired peace and love through Christ. I am still waiting
and still praying for help and strength in how to achieve this. This book, TFQ, was highly recommended to me by a Christian Counselor who specializes in
trauma life experiences, of which I have had many. I read the book, perhaps, expecting an epiphany which never happened. I finished the book, was completely confused, and thought it might be helpful to read commentaries on this book.
I stand alone in my search, because I want so much to believe. For now, I will continue to be as kind, loving and live the best life I can.