Kim Clement, a Prophet?

Kim Clement One of the most troubling aspects of the apostolic-prophetic movement is its “prophets.”

Yesterday, the Elijah List (which sends out the movement’s prophecies, daily, to over 133,000 subscribers) sent out this prophecy from “prophet” Kim Clement. Read the prophecy here.

Every time the Elijah List sends out another prophecy from Clement (which is fairly often), I think “Gimmee a break!” How many more prophecies does this guy have to get wrong before he is considered a false prophet? And how many prophecies that directly contradict the Bible does he have to give? Many of his other prophecies are so vaguely worded that their “fulfillments” could apply to almost anything (like much of the one I linked to above). Read it, and see what I mean. Yet, Clement — like so many “prophets” in this movement — always finds some way to “explain away” his failed prophecies or to force “fulfillments” to fit them.

Let’s take a look at one of Clement’s failed prophecies. In Utica, New York, on Jan. 10, 2004 — and then two days later televised on TBN, Jan. 12, 2004 — Clement prophesied that Osama Bin Laden would be captured within 35 days and that, as a result, Easter 2004 would be one of the greatest Easters for America. He also prophesied that March 11, 2004, would mark the beginning of the end of terrorist activities. Read his prophecies here, from the Elijah List.

When 35 days passed and Bin Laden wasn’t captured, Steve Shultz, the publisher of the Elijah List, contacted Clement for a response. Shultz was pleased with Clement’s response, calling it a “very mature response” that should “both encourage and train” the Elijah List readers on how to discern prophecy. (It’s disturbing that Shultz was satisfied with Clement’s response. It shows that Shultz can’t properly discern prophecies.) Read Shultz’s comments and Clement’s response here. In short, Clement responded that he never said the 35-day time period would begin on Jan. 10 or Jan. 12 (although he, conveniently, waited until after the prophecy failed to come to pass to make this clarification). Then he suggested that Bin Laden’s capture would occur, instead, by March 11, 2004, or Easter 2004.

Well, March 11 came and went — and still no Bin Laden. But something significant did happen on March 11 — the Madrid bombing of four commuter trains in Spain, that killed 191 people and injured over 1,700. This attack was a major victory for terrorists — quite the opposite of Clement’s prophecy.

Then Easter passed and Bin Laden, of course, hadn’t been captured. Yet, Clement still defended his prophecy in another e-mail released by the Elijah list, saying that people, including himself, mistakenly interpreted God’s statement “bring out your greatest enemy,” to mean “capture.” Instead, he said, the prophecy should have been interpreted as saying that, during Easter, God would begin to expose something that would reveal Bin Laden’s hiding place. He said:

For a time, I too felt that over Easter we would see the capture of bin Laden, however, when I read the prophetic word that I had given, I understood that it meant “revealing his whereabouts,” and this would bring him out. This could be the beginning of the 35-day period.

“Prophet” Bob Jones also came to Clement’s defense, saying that the March 11 date had some kind of prophetic significance in “Heaven’s timetable” (whatever that means!) Read Jones’ and Clement’s defense of the failed prophecy here.

So, to review, Clement prophesied that Bin Laden would be captured in 35 days, and then changed the date of the capture to Easter, then — after Easter passed — he said Bin Laden’s whereabouts had started to be exposed and that he may be found in the 35 days following Easter. Yet, over two years later, Bin Laden remains in hiding.

This is just one example of a failed Clement prophecy. He also prophesied that a cure for AIDS would be found by 2002. I could go on and on. Do an Internet search to learn more of them.

Clement has also prophesied things that directly contradict Scripture. For example, when I heard him speak at Regency Christian Center International in Whittier, Calif., on Sept. 3, 2005, he prophesied that aborted babies were going to start to be reborn to other women. (The reincarnation of aborted babies, of course, goes against the Bible’s teaching.) Read the prophecy here.

And, in yesterday’s prophecy (which I linked to above), Clement quoted God telling Clement and his followers, “I want you to command Me” [in essence, command God to bless them]. This is a scary teaching. What in the world is Clement doing, telling Christians that they are supposed to boss God around? This teaching, of course, is not supported by Scripture.

Furthermore, Clement’s prophecies and teachings don’t point attention to Jesus or His gospel. Read through some of them yourself to see. At his meeting I attended in Whittier last September, Clement rarely mentioned Jesus’ name. But a major focus of his meeting was to urge the attendees to give finances and support to the modern prophets (which, of course, included himself) in order to receive rewards from God. Clement equated Old Testament prophets like Isaiah, Ezekiel and Daniel, with modern prophets, like himself (though, he didn’t advocate stoning modern “prophets” whose prophecies fail, as the Old Testament prophets would have been). He also kept shouting “the prophets are coming,” receiving cheers from the attendees.

The fact that the Elijah List keeps releasing prophecies from Clement — and other equally troubling “prophets” like Bob Jones (whom I will discuss more later) — shows that it disregards the biblical criteria for detecting false prophets. Yet, for some reason, the number of subscribers to the Elijah List keeps growing. (The Elijah List also recently started a magazine, called The Voice of the Prophetic.) I plan to follow the Elijah List’s prophecies in future posts.

56 Responses to Kim Clement, a Prophet?

  1. Jody says:

    Common ground in unity is why the likes of Clement continually get away with false prophecies.

    See the link below for the true scope of things.

    Dominionism and the Rise of Christian Imperialism
    By Sarah Leslie

    ~~~For the past several decades the political Left has focused attention on the Christian Right’s political activism in America. Particularly, the Left has been highly critical of a select group of dominionists called Reconstructionists, whose aggressive verbiage, extreme Calvinist theologies, and religious political agendas have made it an ideal target for outrage.

    But, as Leftist researcher Sara Diamond has astutely observed, “the Reconstructionists’ religion of Calvinism. . . makes them unlikely to appeal to most evangelicals.”4

    Indeed, few Reconstructionists would consider themselves to be evangelicals. Nevertheless, their influence has been considerable over the much larger group of patriotic evangelicals.

    There are two other dominionist sects within evangelicalism that have escaped in-depth scrutiny from the Left.

    These dominionists have been able to function virtually incognito for several reasons:
    1) They have been deeply embedded within the evangelical subculture;

    2) They cloaked their dominionism with new terminologies and doctrines over a period of thirty years; and

    3) They figured out how to package dominionism using sophisticated mass marketing techniques.

    Also noteworthy: these two other dominionist camps have been operating in a dialectical fashion – while one group appealed to the TBN charismatics with all of its emotional excesses, the other group carefully managed its more intellectual public image to conform to traditional evangelical standards. ~~~

    http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/sarah-leslie/dominionism.htm

  2. EscMatrix says:

    Consider your argument in light of Christ’s teachings about the Word of God. I think your idea of perfection in any kind of ministry is not only ridiculous, its Biblically inaccurate, and you will find NO ONE alive on the earth who can live up to such standards. Only Christ Himself was perfect.

    Honestly, if you claim your position of demanding every prophecy by Clement (or any other prophet) must be fulfilled to be proven a true prophet is Biblically based, you are missing Christ’s teachings. At least bring some New Testament theology into the picture if you want to prove what is accurate. I’m sure some will attempt to explain this away, but what do you do with Jesus’ teachings about the fulfillment of His Word? I think everyone will agree, this quote below alone speaks volumes, and silences the ignorance of requiring perfection from any ministry. 1 out of 4 Words fulfilled… do you think He was false, or was this just a bad teaching?

    9 Then Jesus said, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”…

    13 Then Jesus said to them, “Don’t you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable?
    14 The farmer sows the word.
    15 Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them.
    16 Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy.
    17 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.
    18 Still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word;
    19 but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful.
    20 Others, like seed sown on good soil, hear the word, accept it, and produce a crop—thirty, sixty or even a hundred times what was sown.”

    MARK 4

    If all of God’s words do not come to pass, I think NO ONE will have a record of accuracy as you demand. If you remember, It was only said of Samuel that God let none of his words fall to the ground, and that was only till Saul became a problem. I agree, there must be fruit and a proven gifting to recognize someone as a prophet but COME ON, let’s get realistic!

  3. jbrianl says:

    wow, I don’t even know how to comment on that last post. The misapplication of the parable of sower to prove that only 1 in 4 prophetic words will ever come to past is “off” (I don’t know how else to say it).

    As I see it, the parable is about Salvation itself. Some hear the word & don’t understand it because Satan steals the word away. Some hear the word & receive it with gladness, but because they have no root they fall away due to persecution or hardship. Still others hear the word & receive it but fall away due to the cares of this world. Those on good soil, not only hear the word & receive it, but produce abundant fruit.

    You’re trying to say that the word isn’t the gospel, but is prophetic words from the prophets & that only one word of 4 will produce fruit (or be accurate).

  4. EscMatrix says:

    Actually, I am NOT saying that the parable of the sower proves only 1 in 4 prophetic words will ever come to pass which suggests only 25% of prophetic words will come to pass. I AM SAYING this parable teaches us that there are only 1 of 4 scenarios in which ANY of God’s words will come to pass. That doesn’t give us a statistic to work with, because we pray it will ALWAYS fall on good ground. But let’s be realistic, IT DOESN’T. God will never force His will or His word on anyone. He never has, and our Bible begins with God giving Adam & Eve a commission to walk in Dominon and Authority over everything upon the earth, but they actually submitted themselves to their enemy who lurked in the garden and missed out on God’s full intention for them. Of course, the Word remained for future generations, and for you and I to walk in this promise from God, but nonetheless, mankind suffered as God’s Word NOT perfectly fulfilled in them.

    The example in Mark 4 does not suggest merely a theme of salvation, although salvation is a part of it. Mark 4 teaches us the importance of an individual to be good ground. Jesus Christ taught us that not every Word from God will come to pass, and for someone to set a standard which demands a prophet or anyone else representing God (Apostle, Evangelist, Teacher, Pastor, etc) as only farmer sowing the word, I say we have created a standard that is false and will condemn everyone who dares to function in any gift of the Spirit. I think we need people in authority in the Church today who will revisit this issue allowing the full counsel of God’s word, and not simply one passage to dictate the rules. Those that use the scripture of stoning a prophet who missed it, need to realize that even this scripture was qualified by saying stone them if they “lead the people after other gods” and it also says to stone ANYONE who does so. It also says to stone those who get it right and attempt to turn the people to another god.

    So then, we are left to judge the fruit of the tree as Jesus said to do, and God is left to judge His people. If the tree has bad fruit the tree is bad. If it has good fruit, the tree is good… regardless of whether or not every piece of it’s perfect.

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23

    EscMatrix

  5. Doug says:

    Let me see if I get this straight. What we have concluded is that if man is not on the right platform to recieve the word of god, then god is subject to frustration? God won’t necessaraly get his way because satan may disrupt it. Study of prophecy not yet fulfilled is a waist of time because it’s only what the big guy wants to do. He may or may not be able to pull this off. Just asking.

  6. EscMatrix says:

    You then feel the best position is to believe if a prophecy is from God it should come to pass no matter what a person does? You want me to believe that God’s will, His Word, for your life will come to pass no matter whether you obey or not? Do you wantus to believe that everything God wants to come to pass will? His word says it’s His will that NONE shall perish but all should come to know Him… do you believe everyone will? Do you think Adam & Eve’s failure did not effect God’s plan and His Word for their lives? Shall we say then that Man no longer has the choice to do right or wrong or simply that it does not matter?

    It’s interesting Christ taught so much in parables, and then usually gave the interpretation to a much smaller group. That says a lot. It seems He explained the parable of the sower and the word pretty well without me adding “my perspective”. The fact that only some understood His parables proves NOT everyone is going to get the point, even if it came straight from Jesus Christ. So I will let you draw your own conclusions as each of us seeks His for insight and application.

    EscMatrix

  7. Enoch 04 says:

    I am a prophet myself, and I would call the men who have websites such as Fulfilledprohecy.com and Zephnet.com, and Hal Lindsey and Jack Van Impe mor prophetic than any of these so called modern day prophets. I think we misuderstand the purpose of prophecy and the place that it has in the will of the Lord.
    Firstly, it is just the ignorant, decieved, and unlearned who would dare make any comment that would give credence in any way, shape, fashion or form that God misses it. It has always been the test of the prophets, no just in Christianity, but in comparative religous studies, that if what they said did not come to pass, then they were deemed false. What this did and does is keep the so called prophet on his knees, in the word, and in worship so that when he does speaks, he speaks clearly and sucintly so that every concept and word is understood by the hearers – for this is an attribute of prophecy according to Paul in Cor 14. Paul tells us that is someone is speaking in tongues (which is not prohecy) and there is no interpreter to bring understanding to the mind, then that person needs to keep quiet in the church and speak to himnself and God. Why? So that there would not be any confusion in what happened or what was said, by them who believe and by them that don’t. When prophecy goes forth, it just doesn’t edify the church but it convicts the sinner. So in this wise, if I call myself prophesying and it is so cryptic that is could be applied to several situations, then it is unclear, out of order, not prophecy, misunderstood, and is therefore not of God. This is basic scripture.
    Prophecy in the old testment did more foretelling, whereas prophecy in the New Testament deals more with a forthtelling, or proclaiming, which informs, edifies, prepares, and convicts the hearer. The Word of the Lord tells us in Hebrews 1 or 2, that in times past, God has spoken to us through the prophets, but in these last days he speaks to us by his son. Who is his son, but the Logos, the written and revealed word of God made flesh. Today, the problem has always been in Charismatic movements that everybody has the baptism of the Holy Spirit, therefore the HS is speaking to everybody, so why do we need a prophet? We know the prophet is a ministry gift given to the church by Christ for the maturing of the church. The gift of the office of the prophet is a means to an end. Proohets have missione to complete given to them by God in which they use their gift to get the job done, as with any other gift.
    Though the accuracy of a prohecy does not yea or nea whether a prophet is a true prophet (unless there is a history of an abundance of false prohpetic utterances) , the reverse of the statement does remain true above all: if the prophet really is a prophet, he would take care not to prophesy so quickly, and make sure that when he does speak, it is thus saith the Lord and ask themselves this with every prophecy they place God’s name on: {If the Lord were to require my life based upone whether he really said what I attributed to his name, would I still say it?}
    If you go to Jeremiah 14 (?) here is an example of Jeremiah, a prophet to the nations, having to contest with these false prophets talking to much and hoping something that they have said has or will come true. The false prophet prophesies peace and Jeremiah just said what the Lord told him to say. The end result was a death sentence prophesied to the false prophet which did come true.
    Yes, some prophecies are delayed for yet a future time, but time will make the prophet out a liar with the quickness. Jesus said, ” In vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrine, the commandments of men”. If you would rather promote your own person, of which God is no respecter, over the word of God, then int he words of the Apostle, I tell you to your face, that the truth is not in you. Not the Spirit of Truth, bu a a Spirit of Error. These are the days we were warned of where men would not recieve sound doctrine for lack of a personal relationship themselves. They listen to everybody on TV and on Tape and CD rather than the word of the Lord. Therefore If I am a Bishop Dudu fan and that’s all I listen to , then that is all that is in my spirit, so when someone says somethign against him, instead of holding the accusation to the light of the Word of God for Illumination of the subject, I become contentious, and in the flesh realm in my response which is proof of my immaturity concerning the things of God.
    When the prophets prophesy, let them prophesy two or three that others may judge. That means that a prophet cannot be a lone ranger. Weigh what a prophet is saying against what other prophets are saying – it’s called godly judgement and discernment – but the problem is you need the baptism of the Holy Spirit living on the inside to be able know the Spirit of Truth form the spirit of Error decisively.
    According the Word, not what you think, because the greek word for heresy means to “pick out for oneself”, judge and rule and make dicisions.
    So in my opinion, is Mr Clement a man of God called to the minsitry, I would say yes.
    Based off the Word of God, is he a prophet – NO!
    There is a difference between the office of the prophet and the gift of prophecy. And just because you get a it right a few times, doesnt mean that you are a prophet.

    Prohphets are on missions,

    Prophets cast out devils,

    Prophets stand flatfooted and preach Jesus, him crusified, ressurected, and his second coming, (If a so called prophet rarely opens his or her bible and rarely mentions Jesus or the Gospel, then they have delved into a psychic journey, form which Ezekiel 13 tells us that they prophesy from their own spirits)

    Prohets preach the baptism of the Holy Spirit, Prophets warn, admonish, convict, and rebuke with all authority,

    Prophets are ususally not accepted by all, but maintain consistency and persistency and accuracy,

    Prophets make it a point to be very, very knowledgeable in the logos (the written word) before they venture off into the rhema (prophetic word) in confidence.

    Prophets have mentors and are discipled by another Prophet (mostly, not all the time).

    Prophets’ prophecies are clear, (only being unlcear to the carnal minded and reprobate)

    Prohets are dynamic Bible Teachers and Preachers by default, givent the gift whicht they have.

    MOST OF THEIR WORL INCLUDES FORTHTELLING THAN IT DOES FORETELLING!

  8. EscMatrix says:

    Enoch,

    Give the Word of God the authority that it alone deserves. You speak against other “prophets” while trying to build your own credibility as a prophetic voice and give your own insights to the subject. Yes, much of what you share may be Biblical, but some is not, and therefore does not have authority to bring correction. I appreciate your attempt to share your understanding, but it stinks when it is only to give precedence to your own ministry and make a name for yourself. My defense is not simply for a man as you may think, but for the Truth of the Word of God which many may represent.

    “I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. 44 How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God?” John 5:43-44

    Again, the points I have made have been ignored, and there is much more to share on the subject. I have never said Jesus is a False prophet or that God is! That’s ridiculous.

    I said that according to Jesus’ teachings about the Word of God, as found in Mark 4, not all of God’s Words will be fulfilled. The seed of the Word must be sown on good ground according to Christ. You want to know why? Read it for yourself instead of getting angry and acting like the passage is not in your Bible. Man has a will and a choice and God will not violate it. If it was not so, Jesus would not have taught us to pray “Your Kingdom Come and Your will be done in earth as it is in heaven”. What is the need to pray if God’s Will/Word comes to pass in our lives regardless of our response?

    EscMatrix

  9. Martin says:

    Ever notice that Kim Clement always has a prophecy for those with Itchy Ears? He is going on about a “New Energy” that God is going to reveal for the Christian Businessmen to prosper with or that Osama would be caught. It seems to me that it is always a blessing and never a “curse.” However true prophecy was/is both. The Lord gave us His true prophecies to warn us of what is going to happen down the road, but He didn’t just end there. He continued on with victory after the fact. Clement is all blessings that “you need to be ready for.” Prophecy and blessing is at the Lord’s pleasure, not ours.

  10. randall says:

    kim clement gave a prophecy on the benny hinn program and stated that over the summer that two “giants” in the kingdom of God would be removed (die) . he went on to say some stuff about when got extracts these men from the earth he will multiply a bunch of stuff.

    summer has come and gone and the spiritual giants have yet to be extracted…

  11. EscMatrix says:

    Let me ask you, when Jesus said “SUMMER” here what did he mean?

    Matthew 24:32
    Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

    EscMatrix

  12. Jody says:

    ~~~
    It seems to me that it is always a blessing and never a “curse.”
    ~~~

    Yes and the interesting thing is…if people would read their bibles they would know that the lies of these false prophets…will actually bring about the exact opposite.

    For instance….if they prophecy peace and safety then sudden destruction will come. If they said to the people that no sword would come against them…then by the sword they would be judged etc.

    Consider this warning to in light of what the false prophets are proclaiming today for americans and the church in general.

    They are teaching people that the church will have dominion over the enemy before Christ returns and that this must be cause Christ cant return until they take dominion.

    God is very consistant in His dealings towards the unrepentant….and especially false prophets….this means that… in truth….the enemy is going to have dominion over the church.

    But of course those who know God and keep his word unblemished by traditions of men…already knew this cause it has been written.

    Rev 13:7
    And it was given unto him to make war with the saints,
    and to overcome them:
    and there was given to him authority over
    every tribe and people and tongue and nation.
    Rev 13:8
    And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him,
    every one whose name hath not been written
    from the foundation of the world
    in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain.

    These so called prophets and teachers….ignoring the curses that God promised would come upon those who disobeyed Him and brought shame upon His namesake…are signing their own death warrant.

    God addressed them very specifically here.

    Deu 29:18
    So that there may not be among you any man or woman or family or tribe

    whose heart is turned away from the Lord our God today,

    to go after other gods and give them worship;

    OR any root among you whose fruit is…… poison and bitter sorrow.

    Deu 29:19
    If such a man,

    hearing the words of this oath,

    takes comfort in the thought that he will have peace

    even if he goes on in the pride of his heart,

    taking whatever chance may give him:

    Deu 29:20
    The Lord will have no mercy on him,

    but the wrath of the Lord will be burning against that man,

    and all the curses recorded in this book will be waiting for him,

    and the Lord will take away his name completely from the earth.

    Deu 29:21
    He will be marked out by the Lord,

    from all the tribes of Israel, for an evil fate,

    in keeping with all the curses of the agreement

    recorded in this book of the law.

  13. David says:

    Dear Josh: There is a hugh difference between Herb Peters a student of Bible Prophesy and false prophets, let me explain.

    NKJV Please read Joel 2:28, Acts 2:28: We are in the last days, The Holy Spirit is showing Believers many end times events, already spelled out in The Bible. Herb Peters is not at all giving prophesies, false or other wise. He is reporting world news events as they relate to Bible Prophesy already foretold in The Word of God. He has related all of his stories to the prophesies of Scripture.

    Read NKJV Revelation 1:3 The Lord Jesus Christ first word is “Blessed” then He continues with is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophesy, and keep those things which are written in it, for the time is near. Herb, is doing the same as are other site reporters RaptureReady, Rapture Alert.com, Prophecy in the news etc. He is a Believer and like so many of us Believers today, we are recieving insights from scripture to prepare us for The Rapture Rev 4:1, Gog-Magag Ezek 38-39, The anti – christ Rev 13 etc.

    Herb is putting everything into prospective about things, people, places which are related to already spoken Biblical prophesies. False prophets such as Benny Hinn, Kim Clement, the prophetic movement in general speak about things they say The Lord is telling them, Herb does not do that.

    We, students of Bible Prophecy, agree on things only related to the Written word of The Lord, things already Written, nothing gets added, the false prophets on the other hand spell out things to come based on Revelations they are supposedly recieving from The Lord, and never add up to God’s Word. In fact if you where to e-mail Herb his e-mail address is on his web site Fulfilledprophecy.com he would, I am shure answer you, or better call him personally and talk to him his # is on the same site.

    Jesus, tells us to be prepared in fact He gives us a heads up in Scripture Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 about events to happen just before His return in the air 1 Thess 4:16-17, 1 Cor 15:51-52 and Rev 4:1 to name a few Scriptures, or what we refer to The Rapture of The Church.

    Josh, you may disagree with some if not all I am saying, please ask The Holy Spirit John 16 to reveal things to you from Scripture, for all Believers He, The Holy Spirit, will do this. The Lord is telling and preparing us, His Sealed children Eph 4:30, and His future Heavenly Bride Rev 19:7-8 to get and be ready. He does this through His Word.

    Josh, I have to ask are you Saved? I am not asking about any religion or denomination here, I am talking about Salvation Acts 4:12. Are you Born again John 3:3 & 7. If not please repent of your sins Matthew 4:17 and ask The Lord Jesus Christ into your heart John 1:12-13, Romans 10:9-10 and 10:13. If you are saved ask then The Holy Spirit to reveal The Bible Prophesies to you, especially the end times prophesies.

    I pray you will follow The Lord here.

    In Christ Dave

  14. NotTossed says:

    EscMatrix,

    The sower spreads the Word, the gospel, what is written in scripture. Not everyone accepts the Word of God. 1 in 4 will receive it? No, it’s just an example. The Word is still TRUE, regardless of whether it is received or not.

    Clement speaks presumptiously about future events according to what he “senses” in and around him. When an event doesn’t come to pass, it has nothing to do with how many people “received” the prohecy. It didn’t come to pass, the prophecy is FALSE.

    Excusing someone because they miss it on occassion is fine and is what Christ taught, to be forgiving and forebearing of our brothers in error. The problem is that a man proclaiming to be a “prophet” of God does not benefit from this same luxury of forgiveness and forebearance and must be held accountable to the Word of God. His prophecy’s given according to “Thus saith the Lord” must come to pass each and every time. If they do not, then we are to not listen to him or be afraid of him.

    Comparing the parable of the sower with error in speaking prophetically doesn’t work.

    Peace

  15. carol says:

    I know that God has grace for us, but the “office” of a prophet, as Kim Clement would ascent to, has a different standard, much the way those who desire to be teachers (James 3:1) has. There IS a stricter standard, because God loves us and so wants to protect us from lies. Christians, though they often abuse the standard by using it without mercy, did not set the standard…God did.

    I believe there is prophecy today, but along with it, a LOT of error. I am particularly concerned about the lack of Biblical truth in Kim’s words, and moreso, those who are Christians who do not even know he is wrong about the word!

  16. The discussion on how accurate a prophet has to be did not, at least from what I could see, address the one passage in the Bible that specificially confronts the test of a prophet — Deuteronomy 18:17-22. The Lord Himself demanded perfect accuracy from anyone who would be known as a prophet, and there are two consequences for being inaccurate in speaking that which is prophetic — death (verse 20) and shunning (verse 22).

    It cannot be about experience, or about what one claims the Lord said; it must be about complete conformity to the Word of God, without exception. We are not given the luxury of making statements such as angels posted to keep the devil from reclosing the tomb. We are not given the privilege of trying to justify our own actions through questioning or spinning what was and is true in the ministry of the Lord Jesus. If God’s Word is not sufficient in all matters of faith, and if God’s Word is not to be the canon by which everything purporting to be Christian is judged, then Christian faith loses its objectivity and becomes a subjective element shaped by whoever has the biggest conference, splashiest website, and newest book of the latest revelations.

    And, no, I am not a cessationist. I am a Pentecostal preacher, and have been one for about 30 years. My years as a pastor have convinced me of this truth: we are better served keeping our preaching within the confines of the Word of God than chasing after every wind of doctrine. The message of Christ crucified was enough for Paul (1 Corinthians 2); why does it seem that message, in light of today’s prophetic-apostolic emphasis, now insufficient? Is the truth about Christ not powerful enough anymore, so we have to resort to all kinds of strange teachings with no real Biblical support (as some within the prophetic-apostolic movement have admitted in print)?

    As Paul pointed out: “I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek” (Romans 1:16). If we aren’t ashamed of the simple message of the Gospel, then why is there so much other stuff cluttering the theological landscape>

    Rev. Scott Osenbaugh
    Grangeville, Idaho

  17. aaron says:

    “A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand.”

    There is no point in arguing about who thinks what and why we have the answer that no one else has. How about we just love one another, be passionately in love with God, and keep pursuing Him with all of our being? And I mean genuinely pursuing Him, with our whole heart, as well as our mind. Draw near to him and He’ll draw near to you. Intimacy is what He wants, not a bunch of people criticizing one another or talking down someone’s ministry. God will reveal how to root out falsehoods, and its probably not through you being upset on internet message boards trying to justify yourself. The enemy would love all of us to sit here and argue, wouldn’t he? We gotta stop looking for what’s not of God, and just start looking FOR God. The world needs to hear what we stand for, not just what we’re against.

    Whatever makes you fall more in love with God, follow that. Please. God wants unity among his children!!

    Bless all of you in your pursuit of more of Him!!!!!

  18. cs says:

    Dear Aaron – I say Amen! My heart agrees with your comments.

    To those who have questions, I have had the pleasure of attending a few of Kim Clement’s concerts. The room is filled with avid worshippers!! There was so much passionate worship filling the sanctuary. It was a joy to worship alongside my brothers and sisters in Christ.

    Kim Clement is an instrument and/or vessel just as we are, used by God to bless His people. I have been blessed each time – not because of what was exactly said, but by the experience. If you find him offensive, simply put, don’t go (or don’t read his writeups). Jesus is our one and only perfection. Beloved ones, if any of you are offended by Kim Clement’s ministry, pray for him for he loves God too. I believe we ultimately must all receive our personal instruction from our Lord Himself, which is acquired through the private times of prayer. If a word is spoken by another that blesses you – then receive it, if a word offends you – than discard it or place it aside for further investigation.

    Let us all remember we are The Bride of Christ!! How He loves us so!

  19. Holly Pivec says:

    cs,
    your instructions ignore the Bible’s guidelines about dealing with false teachings in the church. It doesn’t say to simply put them aside for further investigation. It says to refute them. It is dangerous that you are putting so much stock in your experiences and seem to be shutting off the mind God gave you to critically evaluate all things.
    You talk of personal instruction from the Lord received during times of prayer, but first and foremost is the instruction we receive from God’s written Word, which, as I pointed out above, contradicts the instruction you have given.

  20. John says:

    hp,
    The Word of God, is the “Revalation of Jesus Christ” it can be recieved literally for some, but it also has the ability to inspire the imagination, not all people are the same. Paul was the Greatest example of that, and walked in great faith and peace. But it took him 10 yrs in the desert for God to show him another way to look at what he had learned all those years in the temple. He never saw Christ in the flesh, but was more powerful than them all! He was a Zealot for the word in the temple and God showed him he did not know anything. So for some the written word is not enough! But that doesn’t negate it’s power! God writes his word on the hearts of men not on stone tablets anymore! So I do not condemn anyone who tries to bring those to Christ, in what ever manner. Jesus was glad that the Gospel was even being preached, even though they weren’t some of those he sent out!
    If the Church was properly doing it’s job, nobody would be attending these so called False Prophets, and Ministers. So there must be a need that is not being met! Or they are jealous that they are taking congregations away from their Institutions!
    So I ask a question to all out there, Pastors, Ministers, etc and fellow christians….How many of you would put their ministry, your beliefs, and your reputations on the line to have a greater Revalation of Jesus Christ. So the starving masses can be fed! God has shown us thru Paul that the word is not only literal, but spiritual as well. You can’t have one without the other, if there is to be any power to overcome! Jesus said…Those who overcome as I overcame will walk in power! God destroyed the greatest religious institution of its day, why do we keep building more. It’s a personal relationship with Christ.

  21. Teena says:

    Kim Clement is no worse than any other religeous leader, prophet or not in our run and hide world.
    He believes in the Power of God, and if I remember right, Jesus said if they are not against us, they are for us. Peter denied him 3 times and Jesus was able to forgive him and not bad mouth him.
    It also seems that it is a sin to cause division.
    I think stepping out in front of God, and deciding who is good and who is bad, is pretty risky. Unless you know of a perfect man. I would pray about forgiveness, if I were you, and we will see who is Bossing God around.
    We need evangelizers, we need hope and love in our Christian government, that is mostly not Christian, now since our worn out ministers have told us not to believe in miracles, but to believe in them.
    No Matter what …….Bin Lauden may be dead, you don’t know!!!!!!
    He may have died in that train explosion. CNN wasn’t on the train to tell you what to think. oh my, and God isn’t speaking to you, so what now?

  22. Tobias says:

    Paul says that we all miss it! ( says it about teaching ) and I think its the same in the prophetic. Shurely the old testament has its guidelines for prophecy but in a time where sons and daughters are called to prophecy, to have dreams and visions we have to encourage each other and sharpen us in love ( for we are brothers ).
    I recognized Mr. Clement as a worshipper,too….you can not sing lovesongs to jesus and than be a false prophet, you can miss it , but be a false prophet ?( serving false spirits that are against god and his annointed one – jesus) – id ont think that and its the same with many other prophets that are regularly in the target of other christians.

  23. endtimespropheticwords says:

    >It also seems that it is a sin to cause division.

    The Bible says not to have anything to do with false prophets and to stand up against them, testing everything we hear, and to rebuke people if they do wrong or teach wrong doctrine. It is not a sin to declare someone is a false prophet or to be a watchman in the church – it is actually godly.

    If you think it a ‘sin’ to cause division, then what do you think about the history of the protestant church who spilt away from Roman Catholicism?! Or John Bunyan and other people persecuted for their faith for not agreeing to toe the party line? Have you read the Foxes Book of Martyrs?

    >Jesus said if they are not against us, they are for us.

    The trouble is people like Kim Clement and his camp ARE against Jesus Christ and Christians. They deny traditional Christian teachings such as the need for true repentance and being born again, and they get more and more apostate. They prophesy blessing and riches and say ‘peace, peace’ when in fact catastrophe is coming to the nations as these are the end times. People who listen to Kim and his cronies and believe him will fall away at the end times as they will not understand what is happening – it is tragic and very important. The church is being prepared for anointing and revival by these false prophets instead of for persecution and possible martydom and a great falling away. The great falling away will happen in part because of these quasi new wave beliefs. These men are therefore not doing the work of God but that of the antichrist.

    http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/tag/kim-clement/

  24. EscMatrix says:

    Excerpt from “Call Me Crazy But I’m Hearing God” by Kim Clement

    “Though controversial, there are examples even in the ancient manuscripts, the Bible, perhaps overlooked by the casual reader, which show things did not always come to pass as they were predicted by some of the most well-known prophetic voices. To understand the dynamics of these prophetic predictions properly, you must understand God’s actions are not always His original intentions.

    Intentions Versus Actions

    When God speaks to human beings about their future, His word is based on His intention to see all people blessed. He will make known His intentions without a doubt in His mind that He will do it. However, His actions are many times determined by the response of the recipient. It is then left to that person to decide whether to accept or reject God’s intention for their lives. This is hard for many people to understand but God’s actions do not always line up with His intentions because He has given us the power to decide our own destiny.

    People make mistakes every day of their lives and unfortunately, this often determines the outcome of a word given. God is all powerful but He has given us a will to choose for ourselves and has always patiently allowed us to do so. God’s intention was for Moses to bring water from the rock by “speaking” to it instead of hitting it: God’s actions were determined by Moses’ anger toward the people and his disobedience to God. God’s intention was that the people of Israel would hear His voice directly. His actions were determined by the people’s fear of His voice and their request to “never hear Him speak to them directly;” and they appointed Moses to go and hear for them and to tell them what God was saying.

    God’s intention was for Samson to be the strong man who would rise up against the Philistines with a healthy body and mind; His actions were determined by Samson’s will to reveal his secret strength under the seduction of Delilah thereby fulfilling God’s will with no eyes and in chains. God’s intention was that Eli and his family would carry the priesthood throughout their generations; His actions were determined by Eli’s toleration of sin in the temple and God said: “I did say that…but now I say….”
    God’s intention was that Israel would remain free from the enemy’s control during the time of Gideon. A prophet gave them the reason why they were overpowered and controlled by the Midianites. His actions were determined by Israel’s disobedience and sin. God’s intention was for Moses to take the children of Israel into the Promised Land; ten spies came with a bad report and influenced the wills of over 3.5 million people. God’s action was to force them to walk in circles for 40 years and then give it to them. God’s actions were determined by man’s unbelief and their desire to go back to Egypt.

    The Judges—Prophets in a Time of Transition

    In the time of the judges, there arose Deborah (Judg. 4-5), who was called “a mother in Israel.” She served as a judge among the people, and communicated God’s orders concerning the War of Independence to Barac and the tribes. The word of God was rare in those days of anarchy as He dealt with the wavering nation by letting them go astray unto their own demise. Over this period, there were 15 judges in all, the last being Samuel, whose divine mission was to restore the code of the elder, and to oversee the beginning of the royalty of Israel.

    Samuel—Prophet to the Kings

    Samuel, according to rabbinical literature, was the last of the Hebrew judges and the first of the major prophets who began to prophesy throughout the land of Israel. According to First Samuel 1:20, Hannah was the mother of Samuel; and she named him in memory of her answered prayer request to God for a child. Samuel, was the only prophet of whom it is said that God, “let none of his words fall to the ground” (1 Sam. 3:19). Samuel was used to identify and anoint the very first King of Israel, Saul, as well as his successor, David.

    Isaiah—Statesman Prophet
    The prophet Isaiah accurately predicted many things, including the virgin birth of Christ (see Isa. 7:14). Isaiah was a great prophetic voice who according to historical writings, suffered a horrible death being sawn in two. Isaiah also gave a prediction that would be difficult to judge by simply by the law. Prophetically he announced to the dying King Hezekiah that he should immediately put his house in order because he would in fact die. Hezekiah wept and immediately prayed and reminded God of all the good he had done in his lifetime.

    Hezekiah’s response to the prophetic prediction changed God’s mind and he was immediately granted another 15 years to live; but Isaiah’s initial prediction did not come to pass. This is a situation where you can see that the Law was not enough to judge every prediction properly. According to the standard some hold today, Isaiah would have been called a false prophet because his initial prediction did not come to pass. However, this example demonstrates the unfolding progression of prophecy which is determined by the response of the recipient.

    In those days Hezekiah was sick and near death. And Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, went to him and said to him, “Thus says the Lord: ‘Set your house in order, for you shall die, and not live.’” Then he turned his face toward the wall, and prayed to the Lord, saying, “Remember now, O Lord, I pray, how I have walked before You in truth and with a loyal heart, and have done what was good in Your sight.” And Hezekiah wept bitterly.
    And it happened, before Isaiah had gone out into the middle court, that the word of the Lord came to him, saying, “Return and tell Hezekiah the leader of My people, ‘Thus says the Lord, the God of David your father: “I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears; surely I will heal you. On the third day you shall go up to the house of the Lord. And I will add to your days fifteen years. I will deliver you and this city from the hand of the king of Assyria; and I will defend this city for My own sake, and for the sake of My servant David.”’” (2 Kings 20:1-6).”

  25. Dan says:

    Dear bro. While you are exposing false prophecies of these prophets, do you have any examples of modern prophets that are true? Which would make them true prohets. Or do you believe there is no such thing anyway. Thank you for a reply. Dan

  26. Watchman1247 says:

    EscMatrix,

    You sound like you have a spirit of anger and bitterness. You may want to bring that to the Lord.

  27. Anonymous says:

    My advise to you is test evrything through God’s word. If you really have the sorce of all gifts you wouldn’t be trying to justify.

  28. EscMatrix says:

    You guys are hilarious! I shared my position kindly and with a good spirit, and now you say I have a spirit of anger and bitterness? Paul taught us to PROVE the will of God, and Jude 1 says to contend earnest for the faith, and that is the goal here. You will go so far as to speak against me personally to make your point? Sorry, that just seems pretty pathetic to me. Stop playing the accusation game and realize that there are people who may not believe everything exactly like you, but truly love God and His word.

    And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. Romans 12:2

    Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. Jude 1:3

  29. Gnome says:

    All this is very interesting but not when it becomes a battle. The trinity certainly did not intend for the people to bicker and argue and be DIVIDED. Worry about your own relationship with Christ. Paul explains that if you feel that what you are doing is wrong whether it be breaking Gods law or whatever, then you are sinning. If you feel you are being misled by Kim then you probably are, but if God ministers to you through something this man does or any person for that matter, atleast have enough faith to believe that God will work in mysterious ways to get his point accross but always in truth. God was Black and White in the old testament, but the crucifixion of Christ brought color schemes into the portrait. We are meant to understand Gods word, there is nothing complicated about his word. The only time it becomes complicated is when we make it what we want in order to benefit our own beliefs and position with Christ. If Anything We all share the same God so we are all learning and are on our own journeys. Dont Become like the pharisees who thought they knew everything and were well educated, because Christ Rebuked them all the time. Keep your faith Young and Strong as a child.

  30. EscMatrix says:

    Agreed.

    EscMatrix

  31. Gnome says:

    I mean really man, We are soldiers in a spiritual war. What good are we if we cant even work together. This is exactly what the enemy wants, Confusion, arguments, being opinionated because it keeps our focus on those things rather than the Issue at hand here. Personally I dont think Kim Clement is a fake or a false prophet because he spoke a word over my life and it Did come to pass. Yeah it took 6 years!! But even so. Just becuase we dont see things happen in our timing doesnt make it bull crap. Its Gods Timing. He saw it fit to bring forth my calling when I almost committed suicide Because he knew It would Stick. People also say “Since when do you have to practice being a prophet” NOTHING GOOD EVER CAME EASY. Everyone has to go through Boot camp to become a soldier in Gods army. Are we going to make mistakes? Even as prophets? ABSOLUTELY. Even Apostles Made mistakes. Look at Paul. He wrote the whole book of Romans and some books after that Not becuase he Got a word from God that told him to write these things. He wrote Based on his own journey. Especially when he talks about lusts of the Flesh. He went through that and learned, and wrote so that we can learn as well. If Kim makes a False prophecy, let the master judge him for his works. Judge not, lest you be judged. Basic rules here. He doesnt care what any of you think because he knows he doesnt have to answere to you. I myself am a Prophet “in training” Im trying my best, and anyone who is also a prophet knows how heavy the burden we carry is. We know we have to be accurate, we know the rules, but we are not PERFECT and God himself does not expect us to be. He expects us to be obedient and thats all. I have never heard of a prophet that has been accepted among men not even the Great Elijah, He was hated until God Proved him. If your looking for absolute Proof that Kim is a man of God Then Faith is not there. But you are not wrong for what you beleive because we all play our part. Am I saying that Kim is or isnt legit? No! Im just saying check yourselves before you check someone else. Personally I dont consider anyone who Pushes a person to a closer relationship with Jesus Christ is by any means False. It Boils down to this, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

  32. DaughtersofDeborah says:

    I may be crazy but I believe strongly that Bin Laden is dead… he has not really been seen since the 1st bombing of Afghanistan where it showed him being taken by stretcher out of a cave…

  33. j.l. says:

    Seems to me that the owner of this webpage, and his/her opinions, has done nothing but, tear apart the body of Christ. It is ALWAYS our opinions that keep us from loving one another. (What is the Greatest Commandment?) Why is so much time spent on what is not agreed on? Why aren’t we spending more time on what we do agree on? The truth? I don’t think any of us know God’s word perfectly, and in it’s fullness. Not yet. Maybe when we go home to be with Him. Until then, we’d all better be careful.
    Peace, Grace, and Love in Abundance

  34. anonymous says:

    This is what the Word of God says:
    Ephesians 4:8, 11-13 “When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive and gave gifts to men” … [11] and He gave some to be Apostles, some to be Prophets, some to be Evangelists, and some to be Pastors and Teachers, to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
    This passage is talking about the new testament church. A Prophet is a servant of God (see Isaiah 40:31 where the eagle symbolizes the prophetic and the words “wait upon” means to serve). Prophets are part of the Fivefold ministry that Ephesians 4 speaks about. In these end times, God is restoring the fivefold ministry to His church. We as believers are called to live the Gospel; not to tear down one another or other ministries because we don’t understand them. I say this firmly and in God’s love: seek the Lord Jesus about it and ask Him what He wants you to do. in His Love, one of His servants.

  35. Dennis says:

    FALSE PROPHET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  36. Cindy says:

    I am so glad that someone else is noticing what I am noticing. Kim Clement is a false prophet. His prophecies are not coming to pass. People continue to follow him because like the Israelites of old, they wanted a king to follow, and they got Saul, and true believers already have a King to follow and do not need to follow this man. And read your Bible and you’ll be very encouraged. There are legitimate prophets today, but this man is not one of them.

  37. NotTossed says:

    This is primarily for EscMatrix.

    God’s Word is pretty clear regarding marriages and families as I’m sure you will agree. What do you say to me when I tell you that the prophetic utterances given by your ministry caused a wife to walk away from a viable Christian family after 23 years of marriage, destroying their financial future, and the structure of their kid’s lives? Do you understand the heartache and pain that this has caused to all those involved?

    What do you say to me when I tell you that the prophetic utterances recently given directly to a man who lost both kidneys 13 years ago (maybe you remember him), telling him that his kidneys would be restored and death would no longer be a threat, all the while since that prophecy, he has been in and out of the hospital many times at deaths door? Are you saying “he will die” without saying it? The part of his family involved in your ministry have been hanging their hats on that prophecy waiting for God to heal him (confused to say the least), while the other half suffers watching him slowly but surely die? Do you understand the pain and confusion these kids are going through? Do you understand that the half that could be comforting these kids, are only regurgitating this false hope to them telling them he will live? Do you realize what long term affects this is going to have?

    In your answer, do you tell me that prophecies can be inaccurate or even outright incorrect as you practice your gift on people to bring the gift to perfection? What about the lives that are affected by these inaccuracies? Do you tell me that the parties receiving these prophecies have not done their part to see them come to pass? Do you tell me that God changed His mind? Do you tell me that these prophecies were misinterpreted?

    I tell you that I have watched your ministry for the past 7 years put false hopes into people’s minds which have caused great destruction. I’m sure there are thousands of examples out there. There are literal prophetic utterances that do not line up with the Word of God but only give a false hope for a better future. This is completely irresponsible of you.

    We can bicker about whether “Kim Clement” is a true or false prophet all we want, however the Word of God is the judge. His Word says we will know them by their fruits.

  38. creativesower says:

    Prophets and False Prophets Today…

    http://www.kimclement.com/Articles/kcarticles101.html

  39. my only comment after reading all the above comments, is that Christ is building his church and the gates of hell won’t prevail against it, irrespective of whether kim clements is or isn’t a falae prophet.
    we are commanded to to try not judge another man, that is god’s job , we are tolld , no commanded to strive for the unity of the bretheren, because where the bretheren dwell in unity Gid himself commands a blessing, selah on that and love one another with a pure heart fervently .

  40. Orlena Cobbs says:

    I agree with John Perth. But not only should we not be examining another man’s servant but we should be looking to God not man for answers.

    Rom 4:14 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand

    In other words it is God who speaks to you personally through these messages if he chooses to do so. The prophesies are also fulfilled when God gets ready to fulfill them.

    For instance, how many years did it take the Prophesy Jeremiah gave about Israel returning back home after being scattered and captured by Babylon? We are just now seeing this happen in modern times. Jer 46:27-28

    And how many years did it take for the Old Testament Prophesies about the Messiah (Yeshua) to come to pass? We are talking about hundreds of years!

    And sometimes prophesy will be fulfilled quickly. But only God knows how long.

    We should be hearing from God’s Spirit in our ‘prayer closets’ before we receive any word uttered from the lips of a man.

    After I have already prayed and received a word from God for myself in my quiet time with Him, I use prophesy as confirmation only. If God did not tell me first then I know that prophesy is not for me.

    I am not defending any man but I know God is not a liar and what he says is true and will come to pass.

  41. Orlena Cobbs says:

    I am reading some of these comments and can see that what most of the authors of these posts lack is faith in their God. Your grievances are not with whether Kim Clement is a false prophet, it is Can God really do what he says he can do.

    On judgment day you will only be accountable for yourself and not Kim Clement or anyone else for that matter. You cannot blame someone else for your unbelief in God.

    I will be praying that each of you get a new revelation about who God is and what he is capable of doing.

    To: Not Tossed. If the guy who has kidney problems is still alive, there is still hope. I prayed for a guy who had full blown aids and was in hospice & was given less than 8 hrs to live 3years ago. He is still alive and doing well

    email me: oz_some@hotmail.com

  42. NotTossed says:

    These posters don’t “lack faith that God can do what HE says He can do”. They lack the faith that Kim Clement is speaking as God’s representitive. The majority of these posters and others who are concerning themselves with the authenticity of Kim Clement and others like him, as being “true” prophets of God, are only doing what the Lord expects them to do. That is to test them according to the Word of God to see if they are what God has sent for them to follow. The Lord does not expect us to follow every wind of doctrine or every word spoken by someone claiming divine authority. That would be foolish of us. It’s foolish to even suggest that.

    Without taking the time to identify truth from falseness, having the attitude of, “Let’s just all get along and stay in unity like God expects”, we are not fulfilling the rest of the Word by guarding ourselves from falseness. To say we are not to judge another man’s words spoken in the name of the Lord, is entirely not scriptural and is taken out of context, usually by the ones whose words are being examined. On the contrary, we are to judge. 1 Cor. 14:29, “Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.” Acts 17:10, “Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.”

    Mark 14:5-6 “And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you: For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” Jesus isn’t warning us of false Christ’s here, as if men are going to pretend and claim to be Christ. He’s saying many shall come admitting that Jesus is the Christ, but will decieve with falseness.

    The problem with Kim Clement, and many other 21st century prophets, is that their prophecies are inaccurate or do not come to pass altogether. It’s obvious to me that Kim Clement is speaking presumptuously on almost every occasion. However, the fruit of his ministry, of which I have experienced first hand, is of more concern than waiting hopefully for his prophecy’s to be fulfilled.

    I believe in spiritual gifts. I also believe and am fully cognizant of spiritual and fleshly influences that pervert the true gifts. My opinions are not as a result of what I’ve read or merely heard. They are from what I have experienced first hand.

    To: Not Tossed. If the guy who has kidney problems is still alive, there is still hope. I prayed for a guy who had full blown aids and was in hospice & was given less than 8 hrs to live 3years ago. He is still alive and doing well.”

    Although I can appreciate when the Lord responds favorably to our prayers, I can also appreciate that this man, who is without kidneys, is not going to get new ones in this physical life. There is hope, as you said, however there is also reality. This reality causes Kim’s presumptuous prophecy to be nothing more than false hope. Those who have faith in this false hope, are deceived. Their faith is not in God but in the prophecy’s of Kim Clement. This is what the Word warns us about.

  43. Tam says:

    It really is sad when ppl have nothing they can do other then look after a man who does nothing more then bring peace into a world of sin and pain.How do any of u know if Bin Laden is even alive?My prayer is that God will touch each person who always thinks bad of everybody. All of u are so good at talking about what the word of God says do or do not do well it also says do not talk bad about anyone look for the good in all.

  44. NotTossed says:

    I think Kim himself says it best in his March 2008 newsletter entitled, “The Chaotic Randomness of Pure Experience”.

    “There are many lazy people in the Church, and for them, the easiest way to hear God is to be fed by someone who is “close” to God. Psychics are extremely popular in the world because people don’t know how to hear for themselves, and so they hope the psychics will deliver a message about their present state or their future. Unfortunately, this mindset has crept into the church and actually, the prophet has been demoted to a spiritual psychic. The fact is that the only reason that it is important that you hear God speaking to you is so that you can become a voice yourself – an expression NOT an opinion. Don’t be hasty to speak on God’s behalf for there is always time to utter a word but never time to take it back.”

    and…

    “How many times have I been asked; “So what is God telling you about me?” and I’ve answered, “I don’t know, but I know what He’s telling me about ME.” .. “The only way that you can be fed and then led, is to feed on God’s Word.”

    Personally, my relationship with God is close enough to hear Him for myself. My desire is to KNOW the scripture and I have made it my goal to read, study, and understand what the Word says and means. The only way you can know God’s will for a situation, is to know His Word. By properly knowing His Word, you are also in a position to be able to GIVE ADVISE for someone else, i.e. “What does God’s Word have to say about it?”. However, the best advise is, “My opinion is based on my interpretation of the Word. I might be wrong so seek God yourself by shutting of the voices around you and opening the bible!”

    There are too many people seeking God’s will in the opinions or prophecies of others. You can get yourself in a lot of trouble that way!

    God Himself sends lying spirits to prophets to intentionally guide them in the wrong direction. His purpose? To teach men that He is the only voice that they should trust and to not put your trust in man! See 1 Kings 22.

  45. EdwinS says:

    Can you all imagine what the world would be like if every religion was as divided as the Church.
    We are the ONLY one’s who are in such a mess, and we’re supposed to be shining lights in a dark world.
    I’m lost for words!!!

  46. Jinardos says:

    I just saw this article after doing a search for Kim Clement, having just seen him perform on TBN a little while ago. I was curious to know who this person really was and it’s been very enlightening. These entries have also covered extremes in beliefs and I feel moved to say something even though this seems that it has gone on for quite a while. So maybe no one will even read this but if just one person does…

    The Bible is very clear on the true tests of a prophet and it is very important for us to be educated about this so that we are not deceived by every man claiming to be from God. God has shown mercy over and over again (See the stories of Adam and Eve, Abraham pleading for Lot in Sodom & Gomorrah, King Hezekiah…) That’s why we are not consumed and that’s why some prophecies seemed to not come true. But one must study the Bible to understand the circumstances of those events. Today I studied the story of Jonah and got new insights into the lessons God intended for him (and us) to learn. Here was a prophet who disobeyed God, went through a nightmare experience, and then obtained mercy and a second chance at life from God. He truly expected that God would destroy the people of Nineveh after all he went through to bring the prophecy to them. But the people who hadn’t realized the errors of their ways before Jonah came, listened and repented. God forgave them and showed mercy. Did the prophecy not come true because God didn’t destroy Nineveh? Absolutely-it did. God’s word was clear- He asked Jonah to warn the people of their fate. If God wanted to destroy them immediately because of their wicked ways, he would have just done it. Why warn them? That was to give them an opportunity to make a different choice- an opportunity to ask for mercy. The same is true in the story of the Flood when Noah warned the people of what seemed impossible at the time- torrential rains to the point of flooding. It made Noah look foolish (serving God sometimes requires us to step out of our comfort zone) but God’s word came true- He destroyed the earth and only the people and animals in the ark were saved. Contrast that with Sodom and Gomorrah- the people were not warned- only Lot and his family (except his wife) were saved and that was a result of Abraham’s pleading with God not to destroy the righteous with the wicked.

    So we have to be careful of who we listen to and who we believe. Everyone who claims to love God is not of God and if the prophecy doesn’t come from God, then it’s coming from the devil. It may be hard to reconcile that with someone who is singing and writing songs about Jesus but if you are not being used by God, there is no other alternative. Even the devil can quote scriptures… It may not mean that the individual is purposely looking to lead others astray or working against God, but if they are prophesying for fame, reputation or any other such recognition, then it’s coming from ‘self,’ which doesn’t reconcile with God. If we think that the solution is to accept everyone and not judge but try to get along then we are headed for trouble. God asks us not to judge so that we do not condemn another person for their sins because we are all guilty. However, the Bible doesn’t contradict itself and the same Bible warns us of shunning false prophets. That must mean we must exercise judgment and caution because we are dealing with our spiritual safety. It is the same judgment and caution that we are expected to exercise because God gave them to us to keep us physically safe. The Bible warns over and over of false prophets, so let’s not ignore those warnings and guidelines. We have seen what has happened to prophets who disobeyed (See 1 Kings Ch 13)- that’s how exacting God is of people given the responsibility of delivering His word. Notice also how the prophecy even in the form of a dream was never subject to the prophet’s own interpretation- there is a reason. God uses the prophet as a vessel- he doesn’t need an interpreter. And by the way, He is the only one that can interpret dreams.

    The Bible is also quite clear that we are to respect God’s anointed. That’s where the conflict comes in with all of these people who claim to be called to this ministry. The only way that we can know for sure is by studying God’s word for ourselves and working on a daily relationship with Him. Can we influence God? Yes. Command? Are you kidding me- that we should be so bold. Remember how Moses struck the rock for water… Our prayers are heard by God- who really listens to our cries for help. That’s why we ought to have faith- which is really tested when it seems impossible. God still performs miracles, even today. God will not however perform on cue like a trained circus act so that others can be entertained or that man will be glorified. Again- refer to the story of Moses striking the rock. That’s what is so wrong with televised modern faith healing- that’s not how God performs. Healing comes from God. Let’s encourage each other to read and study our Bibles so that we will be ready to stand because it’s not peace but war-a spiritual war on the horizon that will test our faiths for Him.

  47. iSpec says:

    Since I am a steward for my own soul first, I’ll read and study the Word, pray, fast and give. I’ll leave the rest up to God as He counsels me with His Holy Spirit. Things get messy when we follow other men and not the Christ, who gives us His Holy Spirit.
    God, help me.

  48. Harriet Devore says:

    Greetings Kim,
    My name is Harriet Devore and I’m a Prophetic Artist. I pray that you will stay encouraged, and not be afraid. Just to confirm that the Lord is speaking and sending the same message.
    On January 2008 , I was in the spirit when I drew a picture called the Second Woe. The Holy Spirit showed the economy, Star Bucks which represents big business, chaos, confusion and the words God See’s. My second peice came five months later in May’08. The Spirit of God showed me the new energy, and how it would be contain. This picture shows Hot air balloons as a means of transportation and a container with flowers that look like the star of david. This container would be able to contain the energy that the goverment is looking for. The picture also shows three of the cars that will be used by the car company (GM will be one of the companies that will lead the world in the promotion and manufactoring of these futuristic cars that will fly). Don’t worry and don’t be afraid of their faces, The scripture that says the first will be last and the last will be first, the shaken have begun, and God will be glorified. Sit back and behold, what thus saith the Lord. I will send you the two pictures that I spoke of today on 11/05/08.

    • dmc says:

      NO SUCH THING AS PROPHETIC ARTISTS~!~!
      Nice try…..I just couldn’t find anything ANYWHERE in the Bible that remotely resembles your claim, you are like the Elijah List fale “profits”.
      Try again……

  49. Marvin says:

    You cannot understand spiritual things with a carnal mind so get on your knees where you belong and in the word of god,prayerfully so you begin to receive revelation, then you won’t be someone who has a form of godliness but denies its genuine power. Jesus said “THE WORKS I DO WILL YOU DO ALSO AND GREATER WORKS.” All of the people you attack walk in the power of GOD and you don”t FOOL.

  50. Wade says:

    Hello,

    I was wondering since you clearly believe Kim Clement is a false prophet do you know of anyone you would say is a real modern day prophet?

    • dmc says:

      Jesus is the only Prophet you should follow, and if you want a King then follow the King of kings, maybe you want a Lord? follow the Lord of lords, but whatever you do QUIT following lying prophets and doctrines of demons by listening to false teachers and apostles.

  51. Car says:

    I have a cousin who just quit her job and is selling all of her belongings to donate the money to this whack job Kim Clement. He is no “prophet”. If a prophet is only correct 25% of the time as some of these rediculous posters have stated, then we are ALL prophets. You should all be commited just like my cousin.

  52. Darren says:

    There are no “prophets” as such you might judge them using bible criteria. There are some who hear, sometimes well, and are brave enough to speak out, and perhaps try to communicate what they are shown to the best of their understanding, risking all their reputation. Then there is another option. That destruction is coming, that there really is nothing that can be done to stop this. And some prophecies may be sent to confuse you so that only some spritually discerning can fathom what the good Lord is doing. I mean, why should the Almighty answer to you? From what i hear from God Almighty, is that prophets cannot stand before him, otherwise they might be able to make some kind of intercession on our poor underserving western degenerates behalf. And the reason is that the good Lord’s face is dark. Judgement is coming, very fast. That we can all see. And Jesus Christ will not return yet, until the great tribulation has started. ( and then some years still after that in my humble opinion ). Which in my opinion means a nuclear exchange, soon. This message is probably all a waste of time. Nobody listens. And few repent. God help men like Kim Clement, and correct him where necessary. I would be surprised if he was accurate all the time in the way that critics want.

  53. dmc says:

    the whole elijah list should be put on the same book shelf as the book of mormon and the qu’ran/koran.
    the doctrines are from the same source.

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